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Ding! Ding!

September is fine. In fact, that probably works better for me as participating in one is very hard for me that (this) month.

I'm okay with that, Jeff. Bill & Jim, to address the "What's the harm?" question, you have to look at what several of us have said. We feel a sense of obligation when someone has taken the time to compile a test. That means that if you send out a box set BFT, I'm going to listen to it all, that's just how I am. I'd love to hear all of that stuff, but what's the harm in spreading that out over 5 different BFTs?

I don't see where you indicated why this is your preference, and I'd be curious to know. I think you're addressing a slightly different point. If the question was whether you were required to include 2 CD's worth, then I could understand why you would be making these comments. But that's not the question. Obviously, you and everyone else is free to limit your test to 80 minutes (or less) when your turn rolls around... right? The question is, should everyone be limited to 80 minutes or less, and if they are allowed to make it 160 minutes, will that really cause you or anyone else any problems when you're not obligated to: a) sign up at all; b) participate, if you've signed up; and c) comment on every bit of the music if indeed you opt to participate? Jim, this was discussed in the old thread. I get your point, I just don't agree with it. It's a matter of wanting to honor the effort of the compiler. Starting today, I'm going to have negative time for about the next six weeks. I'm planning to participate in the next BFT. Listing to 75-80 minutes of music is something I might be able to do, splitting it into 3-4 listens and making comments. Now, double that to 3 hours and it's a burden, which the BFT shouldn't be. You're correct, I'm imposing that burden on myself, but I think most people would agree that a spare 75 minutes is easier to come up with than a spare 2-1/2 hours. There are no axes being ground here, it's just a discussion. Another way to look at it is this: Think of music in the day of the LP. You listened for 20 minutes, went to the john, got a sandwich, came back and listened to the other 20 minutes, and most of the music was high quality (in my collection, anyway). With the advent of the CD, musicians/producers felt the need to fill 60-80 minutes of space and, to my ear, the music has suffered. It's also more taxing to listen to that duration of music with no breaks. Yes, there may be 60 minutes of worthwhile material (hey, we've all enjoyed those unreleased and alternate take Blue Note tracks), when it was restricted to 45, the music released was consistently the best of the best. I would submit that the same is true for a BFT. I could have omitted Track 8, and perhaps Track 9 and the BFT would not have suffered. But again, it's all about preference. One other way to look at it: There have been some BFTs that I just don't take to (the Big Al felt about mine ). It's easier to plod through 80 minutes of music that is not my bag than it is to plod through 160. But now we're back to the desire to honor the compiler, and there we'll have to agree to disagree.

Yeah, if you don't take to those types of vocals, you definitely would not dig those cuts. I'm not a huge vocal fan, but what I like, I like. It has no rhyme nor reason, either. I love Lena Conquest, but also love Joe Lee Wilson. Oddly, I love Tony Bennett, but don't like Frank Sinatra. Gary Bartz vocals are some of my favorites, ever. I guess I tend toward the non-singer singers.

Motian is not a bad guess, but I prefer this guy. I stand corrected. I was just working on my reveal post and realized I had the wrong personnel. There were two dates with the saxophonist and I had the quartet personnel. The drummer is, in fact, Paul Motian.

I understand that point, Bill, but I've actually started to compile a list of songs in advance for my "next" BFT. I find that, in doing that, I don't lose out on those songs. I've bumped some of those tunes (one for the past 3 BFTs I've authored), but they're still on the list. I mean, I would have had a hard time lopping any of the tunes I put into #101 off the list, but had I been held to that standard, I could have done it. It's a double-edge sword. I imagine if I could retire tomorrow, I'd change my stance, but time is really a struggle for anything more than one disc for me... and yes, I'm a total hypocrite.

I'm totally behind limiting it to one disc. I'm also totally guilty of going over that on just about every test I've done. On this one, I thought of putting the excess on a "bonus disc". That's pushing it, but it's something I'd be okay with. In truth, a more steadfast limit would help me to limit the length of the BFT. Yes, this makes me a complete hypocrite, but I think it would strengthen the BFTs to limit them to one disc.

This one is going to surprise folks and the song title/origins is probably going to spark endless debate about which came first. However, it is not Don't Stop The Carnival. {and, of course, it is} Second Shepp guess. The good news is, this guy is still active and very valid and creative; I just wish he'd record more. Correct on Lake, correct on the archives, correct that it's not Turner. I'm a fan of this guy, but not of Turner. I will let him know about the comparison, though. Motian is not a bad guess, but I prefer this guy. Ding! Ding! Fair enough. I will say there is value in the other stuff. I didn't intend to do two discs, it just worked out that way.

Have I mentioned how glad I am that you're participating? I hope you'll stick around for more BFT's! +1

This should be a surprise based on the Manne comment. Brown is not a bad guess; definitely a guy out of that field, but maybe a tad later. Right neighborhood, wrong house. A bit more of a 'Jazz guy' than The Brain. Thank you, my brother.

Well played! Except that it's not DSTC! This one is going to give people fits! Made by a sax player sitting, actually, rather close to the sax players (AND the drummer). No, but there are times where Josh sounds EXACTLY like this guy (ID'd above). True enough, but this guy can squawk with the best of them when he wants to. Also, a clue is that the drummer is more noted for working with squawkers. I would say Dudu is a contemporary, though obviously in a bit different genre. Hey man, I can't fault you for your tastes. I cringe when something non-Ellington, pre-1940 makes a BFT. Been well received, actually. I will give the hint that this is a guy I ID'd on the first BFT I participated in. A truly unsung warrior of the music. Sadly Al, this is just the way my mind/ear works. No intent. Al, that tenor solo IS great. The best part about the primal scream is that it's just that. The singer is a pianist who is singing (rather than the other way around), so it's totally in the moment (which is perhaps what I love most about this cut).

Correct! Different time period. Correct. This one has been ID'd twice, now. THAT is a surprise to me. I will share this thought with the tenor player. No doubt he will be pleased. Not Larry. That creaky piano could be a clue, though. Correct! DEAR ORGANISSIMO FORUM, PLEASE STOP COMBINING MY POSTS! I'M A BIG BOY WITH A CERTAIN DEGREE OF TECH SAVVY; IF I WANT THIS TO HAPPEN, I WILL MAKE IT HAPPEN. THAT IS ALL. Ding! Ding! Correct. Hence the remark about the "creaky piano".

Ditto. And/or you can just keep me as the alternate. MG, I put you down for April, 2013. Thom, you're already down for August of this year. √. Forgot about that. (CRS setting in hard) Jeff, this was the message that had me thinking April, 2013. August 2013 is fine. As usual, in a pinch, I can always swap that to sub for a compiler unable to fulfill the need. To be honest, it's easier for me to compile September-through-June than to participate, but I'll always take whatever.

Not Billy. I see where the writing might take you down that direction, but this is a bit more out than BH. Another one that's going to surprise you. No JC on this BFT (though I considered it). People are going to either nail this one or be confused by it. It's a required recording from the period, IMHO, and the best recording of the tenor player, by far. This guy is one of the great unsung people in this music, and he should be a household name. Absolutely swings, always. You're going to want this one, but good luck finding it. Ding! Ding!

Ding! Ding! I did not, but you're correct. webbcity has ID'd this cut. Correct, a private recording and it IS Oliver Lake. This is maybe a hair outside of what you think of for this pianist, but only because of the way our minds seem to classify such things. It IS Clifford and you've really nailed where this recording fits. It's not a great record, but a really enjoyable one nonetheless. Correct! ID'd in the next post. Not Ricky. Negative. ID'd by two listeners thus far.

Well, yes... and no. It actually NOT Don't Stop The Carnival, but as we both know, it sure as hell is. This actually predates my earliest recording of the tune by Newk by a year. That's a hint. Spot on with Billy, but not the rest. Correct. Reasonably certain only you would get this. Eh, could be... Nope. Thought sure you'd nail the alto, and DEFINITELY should have nailed the tenor. You're going to be surprised by this one. It IS a great tune, and it IS Ron Carter. You're going to be shocked when you find out who this one is. And you WILL need to have it. Not sure if you know this guy, but he's definitely a guy who will maintain your interest. This is a sleeper cut. Gah! Stupid limitations on blocks of text. I'll post the rest of my responses to your responses later.

Jeff, I'm willing to defer my April spot and move to the end of the line so that webbcity can have a slot before he qualifies for AARP. Just let me know.

Yes, but in my mind, it'll always be the first track from here, an album I purchased for 88¢ at Looney Tunes in Boston. Also, in a private conversation, webbcity ID'd that and another song, but he's being shy... or just saving up for a one-shot post.

I have that JCO record -- shame on me. I clearly don't have the DiNovi record - shame on me again. And lastly, I have the Tucker cut on the Moody album... I need to go hide my head in deep sand.

Sorry for the delay, folks. I was away for part of the weekend and didn't want to walk on the previous test. I think everybody has it (Bill, your redux is in the mail) now. Feel free to let 'er rip.

Just a note: In deference to Dr. J I'm going to wait to start the discussion thread until he has a chance to post the reveal for BFT 100.

NOTE: Track 8 is NOT 65 minutes long. It's a glitch in the metadata that I didn't notice until I was burning the disc for Bill, and I was not able to fix it. It's under 9 minutes.

Playing it safe, I will put the link to my bft page here. If you want the downloadable test, let me know here and I will PM you.

Well, it's certainly been done before. Pretty sure I've done it, but I don't want to violate the sharing regulations here (because I understand and respect them).