Jim R

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moBlCvcfguI&list=UUpRycHNXPaywifhbf9mf49Q&index=3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5I-1go7cg4&list=UUpRycHNXPaywifhbf9mf49Q&index=4

I started a thread about this recently, and got some tips: Breaking quoted material up into multiple parts (to respond to separately) is what I struggle with. It doesn't work consistently for me, which is odd.

I've always thought these guys were pretty funny, but they have been on a roll lately... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cw0TFdaMkws&list=UUpRycHNXPaywifhbf9mf49Q&index=5 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWXbzOZIadY&list=UUpRycHNXPaywifhbf9mf49Q&index=6

15 is striking me as a mid-to-late 50's composition. It feels reminiscent of a theme from a tv detective series... very noir feel. Something that a 50's tv detective might have heard if he walked into a nightclub. Imagining the tune with a lyric, I have a feeling that the name of the tune could be in the last four syllables (matching the last four notes of the melody). Or, all of this could be completely wrong (you're welcome). Just some gut feelings here... trying to grab onto anything I can.

I don't think so. 15 has some melodic similarity to "Lullaby Of The Leaves", but it's a different tune. I've heard it before, and pretty sure I have a version of it, but I'm still trying to figure that out...

It's also shot at night, and the only audio is an added track of sparse and moody music. It ends with a view from a train that's leaving town.

Thanks. Pretty interesting, even for someone who never spent much time down there. It led me to search for old videos of places that I'm more familiar with, and that was even more interesting.

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Unless there's more composer credit history/controversy here than I'm aware of, Edison did not write this tune, and there shouldn't be any confusion. It's called "Blues In The Closet", written by Oscar Pettiford. If there IS some controversy over that, I'm all ears... aka "Collard Greens And Black-Eyed Peas" as recorded by Bud Powell. Ah, thanks. So far we have BITC, CGAB-EP, and "Sonny & Sweets" (as mentioned earlier in the thread), and unless Dan's recording is labeled as CGAB-EP, there's at least one more alias out there (and possibly more...?). This is causing me to wonder if I really understand this phenomenon of tunes being re-titled. I mean, I know there are quite a few tunes with two or three titles, and controversies about who actually wrote certain tunes, but is BITC perhaps considered such an organic line that everybody can claim to have thought of it? And how many titles are out there for this tune? Dan, I'm convinced now- you'd make an excellent umpire. Btw, I don't dislike track 7 as much as I implied with the negative specifics. I think I was more focused on sleuthing and fine details than general evaluation, so my bad for not saying anything positive about it. Stryker is a fine player, and this is a good track.

Unless there's more composer credit history/controversy here than I'm aware of, Edison did not write this tune, and there shouldn't be any confusion. It's called "Blues In The Closet", written by Oscar Pettiford. If there IS some controversy over that, I'm all ears...

Which online discography are you referring to?

Damn. Sleuthing this without a title is a lot harder. Sweets was prolific. I wish I could figure out who that pianist is... based on some of the Peterson-esqueness, I was almost going to guess Paul Smith, but I don't feel like that's correct.

Dan, is track 4 labeled as "Sonny And Sweets", by any chance? The reason I ask: http://www.music-city.org/Harry-Edison/Complete-Studio-Recordings-742615/ Now, I don't think your track was recorded in '55, but I wonder if the alternate title "stuck", and was used again in later years. If not, I'm assuming another alternate title came about, because the tune is "Blues In The Closet" (... ump! )

Good question. I'll try to get back to you on that. Damn, I shoulda stuck with the basketball thing.

Well, if that's not "Blues In The Closet", then I'm gonna cry foul (or for Dan, kick dirt on the ump ). Sweets on tpt? I did precisely that. Maybe it's a Mac-Chrome thing? Either way, I hate goddamn software tweaks that make things no easier.

Listening again to track 7, and thinking about the guitar tone and style, the blues flavor, the fact that this guy is probably on Dan's radar due to his work with Turrentine and McDuff... it pointed to this: http://www.amazon.com/Blue-The-Bone-Dave-Stryker/dp/B00003L27I (because of the new software that tweaked the quote function and removed the "my link" feature for url insertions, I no longer understand how to hide the url details)

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Interesting... I've had dogs nearly my entire life, and not one of them ever got into a car willingly, or would relax once inside. Getting out was always a pleasure for them, at least!

It was nothing, really. All I did was start the thread.

I expected somebody else to start this, but I haven't seen any posts about it, so...

Five of the seven tracks from "Blue Benson" are on this, fwiw:

DING DING DING! I am guessing Jim that you remembered the discussion five or six years ago when the Ray Charles in Brazil 1963 DVD came out but never actually picked it up? Otherwise I would have guessed you would have taken the time to confirm your suspicion and and post full details. I did pick it up, but I actually didn't like it that much, and sold it. Anyway, remembering that discussion did supply my guess. I'm not sure I would have realized that there was no CD release of your chosen track, by the way, so even if I still had the dvd, it might not have occurred to me to reference that.

I respect those whose training exceeds mine (I'm an ear player), to the extent that it's appropriate, but as a musician with decent ears, and a longtime jazz listener, I think I'd perhaps put myself in a slightly different gray area than that of a non-musician. Anyway, I think that "getting it" is possible without a high level of training, and I think there's a level of subjectivity in play here. In most such cases, yes, it's fair to offer this kind of criticism. "Oh but this guy is a LEGEND you can't criticize his note choice or phrasing or rhythmic feel, because he's a legend for a reason" doesn't wash. The "he's a legend" part was not the main point, and could have been left out entirely. I think I added that due to the laughable (even if true!) "I can do it better" comment from this guy (talk about something that "doesn't wash"), and just to emphasize the level of respect that someone like KB deserves. The point I was aiming at was that jazz artists (legendary and otherwise) re-harmonize, re-arrange, change keys, change tempos, etc etc, quite freely and often, obviously. In this particular case, is the argument that Burrell (on a recording that still has not been identified here, I might add) may have altered the theme statement only by subtraction, and thereby committed an "error" of some kind? I'm not buying it, but that's just my opinion, and I do think this is subjective. The part about Kenny playing at an "incorrect" (as opposed to non-original) tempo pushes the needle even higher on my nonsense meter. We DON'T know whether KB could have executed it at a quicker tempo or not, even if we agree that it's something worthy of criticism (I don't). Maybe sgcim can confront Kenny Burrell with that question.