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Well, I did. I have threads I was interested in to read.

He indeed rarely soloed, but he was very capable, interesting musican. For those interested how he played there are tracks on Basie Old Testament heritage (Decca and Columbia sides), and probably more on broadcasts of the same band (recently I've got so called Chatterbox Pitsburg 1937 Basie broadcast, where Jack Washington is featured on at least 3 tracks). I think he also was member of Bennie Motten orchestra, and if I am not wrong, he soloed there also.

brownie, how many titles from JATP w Pres, Jones, Brown... are on this DVD?

These are beautiful news to hear. God knows how many unissued takes are in (Verve?) vaults somewhere. Some of us are still in wait for complete 1950-60 (and further) JATP. (there's been rumors about something that Granz brought along with him in Europe when he sold Verve back in 1960's, so who knows...)

brownie, lets clear few facts: As I can understand Jones/Rich/Brown Young/Harris/Philips/Fitzgerald is the different film from Ballade/Celebrity, or is the same? If it is different, can it be some JATP session when Oscar was still not always in rhythm accompaniment? Around 1949., I guess, or so?

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I found many titles here: http://www.thebebopshop.com/acatalog/The_B...__DVDs_167.html

brownie, I simply can not believe my eyes what I have read just right now! More totally unknown Pres on film, more "Jammin The Blues", more Bird, more... These are surely the best greetings in New Year - to know such material exist! BTW, I searched for the web and haven't find the title except that cover image attached to my reply. Is this the same 2 DVD set? And I have to disagree about keeping away from products like this one - why "great of them all greatest" film/record/publishing companiens never even tried to inform us about such things, not to mention to reissue them in affordable price!

Jim, can you hear HIS voice while playing the bridge section of first solo chorus (time 1:30)? That hip high voice! I can, clearly! (BTW, two days ago Santa Claus send me a gift - "Chatterbox" CB Old Testament Band broadcast (1937). Titles like "Tattersfield Stomp" and Pres soloing drives me completly nuts. Similar to J. J. Johnson I became preschoholic!)

It seems to me I'm alone in digin' Rich on this date - probably it would be more canonic, orthodox straightforward bop with Max or Klook, but, in a way this is more interesting.

Perhaps, but noone knows - in later years Pres was not so consistent, yet he can play beautifully, especially slow ballads or slow blues.

Chris, many thanks for those enlighten rememberings about new material you found then, back in 1970's. That take was real great one! If I can understand whole thing correctly, Columbia did, during 78 rpm era, safety 16" acetates for everything that went on studio, right? So, that explains how that particular take of "All Of Me" turned out in today's Columbia's release of BH material - we can hear studio talk (they talked about execution of tune - that exceeded particular 3 1/2 minute), if I understood a somewhat mouldy sound between Lady and studio guy. Did I heard correctly strange noise artifacts bouncing across that take in 33,33 rpm like style - was that acetates 33,33 rpm? Can we expect more acetates of old recordings to became available in future?

Hell yes, but nothing until now has been found, as far as I know. It surely be great. According to Lewis Porter biography on this subject, Pres canceled his contract with Granz (how, how, he recorded in Paris for Verve), and signed with United Artists. The first session was prepared to be done with large string ansamble. He ordered poster to be made. But nothing happened! Or it did, and we don't know.

I like that classic album Dizzy, Bird and Monk made together for Verve, and I will never understand why all people dislike Buddy Rich's drumming on this particular date? Rich was capable soloist and he did fine job supporting this all stars date, in really swing-to-bop manner. What is your opinion? Do you like or dislike Rich on this one?

Flurin, yes, it probably can be the real answer. Honestly, I never thought about such possibility. For all the takes and CD's I discussed, info about takes was written on back cover. Don't know the situation right now - does Fantasy clearly stamped information about takes, as they used to do back in 1988 or so.

Listening to some issues, I've noticed one fact that is not clear to me! For an example, lets have a look in one of my favorite albums: OJCCD-234-2 - Bags Meets Wes! Seven tunes and for some it is displayed clearly from what take chronologically they originated (for "Stairway to the Stars", there are two issued takes on this CD - take 3 and take 2, for "Delilah" Fantasy issued only take 4 and take 3 - in that order, and so on). What happened with lower take numbers (such as for "Delilah" - no trace of takes 1 and 2)! Were they really takes or breakdowns? Did they erased them from original master or other secondary tape? The same question occurs for "Jingles" - issued takes have serial numbers eight and nine!!! So, can we hope for more alternate takes music material in years to come (I am asking this question for any other releases by any other record company), or this is it, and there is no more? Did musicians way back then recorded so much takes (about nine of them)? (I know somewhat similar story from 78's era, when they dubbed grooves directly into the wax or lacquered surface, and according to that story, wax was often polished or melted if something went wrong while recording the tune, so wax was reused for another take. Still some alternates survived for us. But did the same happened in era of magnetophone recordings, or tapes were simply dumped in trash or erased) Of course, not listed here is most extreme example that I find in some Art Peper OJC - 46 takes! Really 46? Well I can not figured it out how they recorded 46 takes. And if they did, it was a bit weird thing going, the whole concept felt after 5th take, lets say...

These are rally sad news! He was quite good with Herman. R I P

Speaking of Pres folowers: anyone noticed strong connection between the way Perkins and Eager listened to Pres?

Is it Chico Hamilton with Perkins, Hall and Lewis.... - he is so much alike to Papa Jo when trading fours.

Is this new issue available now?

This is something really interesting!!! Fletcher with Lucky! Couw, did you hear something from these albums? And, speaking of members of the band, do not ever forget that Jimmy Crawford was regular Jimmie Lunceford drummer for many years!

I think pryan have Pres in his avatar too!

Only similarity goes for the tembre for both of them. Pres certainly was something to much different. "Bud Freeman, oh, my... I've never been influenced by Bud Freeman" - Young

The box is probably great for its good sound. And for novice Basie's listener, it is probably something special. But for some of us, who expects, dreams, and think about complete Columbias it is not winner. I, myself, am in wait for that unique box for almost 13-15 years. And with no hope for change, because THIS set got all the nominations and prizes. "And - that's all folks. We (Columbia) did, what we did, what else to do....? What would you like, COMPLEEEEETE Basie? C'mon, who will buy that?"

Speaking of famous 1-14 track - did Desmond ever played tenor? And, as long as discussions are on theirs run, I will always scream for 2-8. Give me that 24 hours a day - and I will never get bored with it. It is my first and last reaction to this take. Marvelous.