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To say that it could have been worse is not to say much. It so missed the point that it was sad to see someone that clueless make a film about Blue Note. Why accept crumbs?

Apropos female collectors, let us not forget Imelda Marcos and her shoes!

None of you is missing much,IMO. As I recall, it was a very disappointing, somewhat sloppy documentary.

Here's the latest posted info: 14-Sept-2003 All three music sites should be completely restored by the end of the week.

Have a great one!

Consumers strike back, sue RIAA By Liane Cassavoy, PC World.com September 12, 2003 9:35 am ET After taking its antipiracy campaign to court, the music industry is finding itself on the receiving end of a lawsuit that challenges its purported amnesty program as a fraudulent business practice. The Recording Industry Association of America Inc. announced its Clean Slate program Monday, when it filed suit against 261 people for copyright infringement as a result of excessive use of peer-to-peer services. The Clean Slate program purports to offer amnesty to repentant file-swappers who promise to stop using peer-to-peer services to illegally download copyrighted works and to destroy any copies of downloaded audio files. To qualify for the amnesty program, applicants must fill out a sworn affidavit that requires a full name, address, telephone number and e-mail address, have it notarized, and send it to the RIAA. In turn, the RIAA agrees not to "support or assist in any copyright infringement suits based on past conduct," according to the organization. But the offer is neither clean nor a sweep, says Ira Rothken, the Marin County attorney who filed the consumer lawsuit Tuesday in California Superior Court. Not the RIAA's Call? The RIAA claims the amnesty program "would provide people with a clean slate, but after a further reading of the legal documents, it became apparent that this Clean Slate program didn't provide any such thing," Rothken says. "The legal document provides no release of claims, no promise not to sue you. It offers no promise to actually clean the slate by destroying the data that these people provide," he adds. "All it says is that the RIAA simply will not cooperate in any lawsuit brought against you. That on its face is a deceptive business practice." And the offer is deceptive because the RIAA does not own the copyrights in question, Rothken says. The music labels -- RIAA members -- are the plaintiffs, he says. But because the RIAA is leading the charge, people think the RIAA has the power to promise not to sue them, when it doesn't, Rothken says. "Any of the RIAA's members could file suit against these individuals who have participated in the Clean Slate program, and subpoena the information they need from the RIAA about this person's guilt," Rothken says. "So, in the end, the person who supplies all this information to the Clean Slate program will have a dirtier slate than they would have if they never participated." RIAA Stands Firm The RIAA disputes this interpretation, saying the affidavit form, which is available on MusicUnited, is not deceptive. "Read the form, it's pretty clear what's being offered and who's offering it," says Jonathan Lamy, an RIAA spokesperson. "Apparently no good deed goes unpunished," Lamy adds of the criticism. "It's also unfortunate and ironic that some lawyer would try to prevent others from getting the assurance that they want, that they won't be sued." Rothken's law firm is not the first organization to warn people about potential danger in the RIAA's amnesty program. Last week, before the RIAA formally announced its plan, the digital rights group Electronic Frontier Foundation warned users against accepting the RIAA's amnesty offer. "Stepping into the spotlight to admit your guilt is probably not a sensible course for most people sharing music files online, especially since the RIAA doesn't control many potential sources of lawsuits," Wendy Seltzer, EFF staff attorney, said in a statement last week. Murky Music Cary Sherman, the RIAA's president, addressed these concerns Monday when announcing the copyright crackdown and amnesty deal. He rebutted suggestions that participating in the Clean Slate program could prove costly. "We have pledged to keep this information solely for our use, for our records of people who should not be sued," Sherman said. He said the RIAA would not release the data to copyright holders who might intend to sue. Unconvinced, Rothken went a step further than simply warning consumers about the program's potential pitfalls and filed a complaint under the California Business and Professions Code. His lawsuit asks the court to end the RIAA's program as "unlawful, unfair, and deceptive." The RIAA's "guarantee not to sue file sharers" is designed to mislead the public into incriminating themselves by giving the RIAA "admissions of wrong-doing." The RIAA's intentions remain unclear, says Deborah Peckham, a partner in the Patent and Intellectual Property Practice Group at Testa, Hurwitz & Thibeault in Boston. "It's really too soon to say whether these people are putting themselves at risk by participating in this program, but the allegations made in (Rothken's lawsuit) are not without some merit," Peckham says. "In essence, what the RIAA is doing apparently is collecting these affidavits and storing the information somewhere. The concern is that that information is going to be spread among the music companies, and there's nothing in the agreement that would bar those companies from suing the users." Peckham has reviewed some of the suits filed Monday, and confirms that the RIAA is not named as plaintiff in any she has seen. California's Standards Rothken's complaint cites California law that says fraud may exist not only if a consumer is injured by the business practice in question, but if there is the potential for injury. "The only standard is that the business practice in question is likely to deceive reasonable members of the general public," Rothken says. This law also allows one citizen to be named as a plaintiff to represent the general population. In this lawsuit, that citizen is Eric Parke, a former paralegal who has not used peer-to-peer networks to download music illegally, according to Rothken. "In California, our law allows people who are unaffected by the business practice in question, people who would not have traditional standing to sue, to serve as the plaintiff," he says. One reason for this, Rothken says, is that people who stand up against large organizations could be retaliated against, and may be unwilling to come forward. The lawsuit now goes to the California Superior Court, but Rothken cannot guess when the case might be heard. He does expect the court will insist that the RIAA make good any amnesty offer. "The court will likely tell the RIAA that if they're going to promise amnesty and a clean slate, then you have to do something that delivers on that promise; for example, you have to offer a release of all claims. Or, if you can't do that, you have to stop the promise, don't call it amnesty," Rothken says. "It's likely the RIAA will have to admit that they don't have the authority to release all claims, because they don't have the power to stop these lawsuits, because they don't own the copyrights."

Pixels can be deceptive, Rita!

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It would appear that JC has also gone bye bye! How did you arrange all that B-3er?

I seriously doubt it, Harold. The site is very successful and the BBS probably brings in new members. The overload explanation is plausible--there comes a time when even sites outgrow themselves.

That makes a lot of sense, Chuck. Think of how he used Baby Cox, Adelaide Hall, and Kay Davis. Tony Watkins was pretty bad, I thought. And then there were: Darlene Huff Nell Brookshire Anita Moore Shirley Witherspoon Trish Turner Lil Greenwood Ozzie Bailey

Am I the only one here who cringes at the sound of Al Hibbler?

I think this guy trolled over from AAJ.

Solid argument, indeed. And don't worry, Mule, your reasoned, mature posts to this thread put a very wide gap between you and funk. I had not heard the Riefenstahl quote from her 100th birthday--it certainly is very telling. As you say, it is an interesting subject--where does one draw the line between a person's ideology and work? Is there a line to be drawn?

She may not have seemed remorseful--in fact, she may not have been remorseful. If so, that is certainly regrettable, but it does not erase nor diminish her talent for film making. Then, too, it is just possible that her later film activity in Africa was a way of showing remorse. My point is that people make mistakes and I have no doubt but that she came to regard her association with Hitler as such--I just hope that she regretted for the right reasons. BTW, I bet Mr. funk posts using a computer with lots of Japanese-made components, he may even drive a Japanese or German car, or eat Italian food (sorry ). We cannot go through life pointing fingers and perpetually hating people about whom we really know very little.

PFunk, your hatred and ignorance is coming though! I won't get into an exchange with you, but I don't think your posts on this subject leave us with a favorable impression. Hatred is always ugly, no matter which side of the fence it emanates from.

What a stupid remark! The propaganda film she made for Hitler is undoubtedly her best-known work--in fact, I bet it is the only work most people associate with Riefenstahl. It is, however, not her only legacy. Shame on her apologists? I think there are many of us who recognize her considerable talent and are not afraid to say so. Nobody is making apologies for her political views, and most of this lady's work was not political. Besides, there is no evidence of her knowing the true extent of Hitler's evil at the time when she made the Nazis on Parade film. Many people--not just Germans--were suckered into support for or acceptance of the Nazis during the 1930s, that includes such highly regarded Americans as Lindbergh and Ford. Does that in any way diminish the former's accomplishment? Does it mean that we should not drive or ride in a Ford vehicle? "They don't belong here" Crap, Mr. anonymous. That's a very fascist kind of attitude, isn't it?

Barak's first post makes a lot of sense to me--whether she was a Nazi sympathizer or not, her work was extraordinary and pioneering. If we were to dismiss all work by people whose political beliefs go against our own, we would be much poorer for it.

So that's where they keep Heaney! Throw away the key!

Wasn't there a Prestige album called Blue Trane?

Has anybody been able to access AAJ today? This is where trolls Heaney and Greg roam freely, so I wonder if it just crashed into their sand box! I hope not.

Stockholm, February 14, March 19, April 29, 1958.

That must be D as in Duh?

Thanks, Kenny. Who made the statement?

Is it just my system or does Kenny's link go to the JC forum front page? I don't get a specific post. In other words, can you be more specific, Mr. Weir?