Larry Kart

At one time I got very tired of "Walkin'" and "Bag's Groove," but you don't hear them that much any more. "'Round Midnight" performed well remains great, but performed by rote, which very often is the case, it's a drag. "Just Squeeze Me" in its vocal form gives me the willies. The same with "Don't Get Around Much Any More." "Footprints" has been played into the ground. Likewise with Dorham's "Blue Bossa." Perhaps it doesn't really count, but "The Theme." I'm a big fan of Horace Silver, but "The Preacher" wore out its welcome almost immediately IMO.

I actually heard the source version of Stella By Starlight (the 1944 supernatural film The Uninvited) prior to hearing a jazz version of it. When I first heard the Miles version from 1958 Miles I was like...oh yeah, I've seen that! The Uninvited is a fine spooky movie, and Stella fits the dramatic situation nicely. Another song that kind of grates on me is The Way You Look Tonight.

Stella by Starlight kind of grates on me. Also, When Sunny Gets Blue.

Your "desire for all this to come about" sounds kinda like a semi-political protest -- e.g. "my desire to rid my world of as much shit and bullshit as was not put here for me or by me or to be good for me but instead is here solely to serve somebody's notion of what my notion of what I should be should be." ( I'm reminded some, albeit in an inside-out way, of Bob Dylan's "...because something is happening here but you don't know what it is do you, Mr. Jones?") I admit that some music, or the promotion of said music, can have the effect of the sort of alien and alienating social nudging (or worse) that you dislike, but how this fits into "I look to hip-hop as a hope for it to be the 'popular' conduit for doing to metric texture and rhythmic dimension what Coltrane & McCoy did to tertiary harmony, and all the implications thereof" escapes me. Music can become a form of social nudging, but desiring/expecting music to (seemingly primarily?) fight back against social nudging (or worse)? Like that Dylan lyric, it reminds me of Woody Guthrie's "This guitar kills Fascists." No -- and new horizons in "metric texture and rhythmic dimension" don't kill them either.

I'm no expert here, but why does there have to be some meaningful musical-social relationship between hip-hop and jazz (of the past, present, or future) or between jazz and hip-hop? Is it merely/essentially because (to use Peter Pullman's term) they're both af-am musics in origin? If so, there are plenty of popular and artistically significant non-af-am musics that never had much (or that much) to do with each other (e.g. the waltz, Italian opera, Rembetika, Gamelan, Ragas, etc., etc., and no one got their panties in a knot over their "failure" to have musical commerce with each other. Of course, anyone is free to try if they themselves feel within themselves a viable musical reason to do so -- I think, for one, of what the members of Air did with ragtime way back when -- but otherwise? Or are we really talking about some blend of marketing and social engineering?

Dompan

Klemperer's recording of "The Magic Flute."

I heard you with that band and wrote something about it. Lord -- 25 years ago.

That is a lovely album.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKcdWYvZB-E I heard a version of that quartet (I think a different drummer) at The Brown Shoe in Chicago. After a would-be virtuosic (IMO just show-off, rubber-bandy) solo by Scotty Holt, Jackie said pretty much to himself (I was close to the bandstand) "ridiculous shit." From that moment to this, I'm not sure in what sense he meant that.

Fats is SO pretty here.

IIRC, Fats isn't in great shape here. Agree with Jim about the live date with Bird, Bud, and Blakey.

That, too, though my memories of it are dimmer (that was a long time ago -- maybe 40 years?), but what I loved about the other one was the degree to which Jodie and Wilbur locked into what Lee wanted to do and carried him more or less beyond his "tenth level of paraphrase." And Rodby wasn't just along for the ride. I could/should add some performances by Warne, but they're a blur of the marvelous. I did hear some of what's on "All Music" as it was recorded, but it was recorded.

Lee Konitz and Al Cohn at the Jazz Showcase. Also at the Showcase, Lee with Jodie Christan, Steve Rodby, and Wilbur Campbell.

I vas dere, Charley. Also, at a club on Stony Island Ave., Roscoe, Maurice McIntyre, Ajaramu, and Claudine Myers.

That band recorded for Delmark. Oops. And I've got the record, too.

Thousands I'm sure, starting in 1955. For more than ten years, 1976 to 1988, I was reviewing regularly for the Chicago Tribune, so that helped.

This band almost recorded (different bassist IIRC) but not like on this night at the Gate of Horn in Chicago, circa 1957: Ira Sullivan, Johnny Griffin, Jodie Christian, Victor Sproles, and Wilbur Campbell. What made it so special is that on several tunes, particularly an unreal "Night in Tunisia," Ira played trumpet and then after he and J.G. had soloed, picked up his tenor and engaged in an intense friendly battle with J.G.

I hate it when chord changes get "ticky."

It goes on forever?

Three volumes of Buxtehude's harpsichord music, with Lars Eric Mortenson, and the Complete Mingus Town Hall Concert.

About Tebow's flaws as a QB, this is pretty devastating: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/25/sports/football/a-gifted-athlete-tim-tebow-has-plenty-of-flaws.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=tanier&st=cse As for "judging him by the results," football is a team game, and the team around Tebow was a pretty good one. The teams around Bradford and McCoy were not. As a Bears fan, I witnesssed the same effect when Kyle Orton took over from an injured Rex Grossman several years back and "won" a bunch of games not because Orton did anything other than not make horrendous mistakes (not that he was allowed to by the coaches) but because the team had a fine defense that often gave the offense the benefit of turnovers and a short field to work with. Thus we win 10-9, or 13-10. And yet Orton was felt by many fans to have "won" all of those games. What Orton really is as a QB is now clear; he's mediocre at best. Too bad he wasn't on a mission from God.

About Tebow being a winner, I see I confused you with GA Russell. Elway felt that Tebow had to be removed because he could only be somewhat effective in an offense tailored to him, and that that offense could not win a championship. Manning solved the Tebow problem, in the short run Manning might win a championship, meanwhile a better option for the future than Tebow could be found, and control of football operations could be returned to Elway et al. from the true believers in Tebow. Is it impossible that Tebow could be great? Yes, in the opinion of almost all the football people in the NFL. Is it possible that Tebow could be decent? Yes, but only in an offense that's tailored to him. Again, though, "decent" doesn't win championships, and why, unless one cares about Tebow personally, should one invest the fate of your team in him rather than any number of other potentially decent QBs? Instead, hope you can get a better than decent one down the road.

Exactly. Denver is not going to win a championship with Manning; they just don't have the offense. By the time the Broncos develop an offense (if they can; this whole thing gives me doubts about their ability to accomplish anything with the current team in charge), Manning will be out of the game. As far as Tebow goes, I am NOT a Tebow fan. However, I think it's quite possible that he could develop into a decent quarterback IF he is put in the right situation. New York is NEVER the right situation for such things; Denver could have been with a little patience. If Elway dumped Tebow because he was sick of dealing with the fans, fine, but let's admit that he did it for his own comfort, not to help the team. If he felt that Tebow would never develop, then I can understand getting rid of him, but the signing Manning for a team like this makes no sense, either from the team's standpoint or Manning's. I guess what I'm saying is that I think Elway is in over his head in the front office. If Manning is and remains healthy and the Broncos add some receivers he feels comfortable with (I believe they're doing that already), then the Broncos will have a much better offense right away. As for Tebow, the notion that he's a winner because he was the QB when the team won some defense-dominated, fluky games is silly, unless you believe in divine intervention. Remember Kyle Orton? He was the winning QB in a lot of games for the Bears when he was thrust into action by an injury, but that was for a team that had a fine defense and not because of much that Orton himself did. And we all know the QB that Orton has since proved himself to be. As for Tebow perhaps developing into a decent QB, why waste the time and effort and the fate of your team on this quest? Why not, if Manning's health holds up, buy two or more years of likely superior play from a Hall of Fame player who might lead you to a Super Bowl while you also acquire down the road a young QB who could be better than "decent." This side of Trent Dilfer, Super Bowl-winning teams don't have decent or below decent QBs. As for GA Russell's points -- Yes, pretty much no one wanted Tebow, unless they have a coach who digs the Wildcat (like the Jets' new offensive coordinator Tony Sparano) or an owner who really needs someone who can put butts in the seats, like the guy at Jacksonville. And I don't know anyone who thinks that the Broncos needed to get Tebow out of town to make Manning feel more at ease. About Tebow being a winner, see the first paragraph above.

Because 1) They knew that Manning, like most topflight starting QBs, is not into teaching/nurturing other QBs; that's the job of coaches, Manning's is winning games; and 2) They thought that Tebow did not have enough of the right kind of talent to ever be a successful starting QB in the NFL. Many but not all people in and around the NFL feel the same about Tebow. Thus, getting Manning and trading Tebow is in Elway's view the obvious right move, because it not only gives the Broncos a decent chance to win a championship (the team have a fine defense, no?), but it also solves the problem they had last year and would have had down the road, in which the fans run the franchise. When Manning runs out of gas, Elway figures that whatever QB they can acquire to replace him will be better than Tebow is now or will be then. Hey, even if Manning's head falls off in game one, they might still be in better shape.