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Tower has some Black Saint (and Soul Note) titles in stock for $13.59 right now — including Billy Harper's Black Saint! Add a coupon code from the current Tower thread, and the price goes down even further. Carpe diem!

BFrank — if you like The Leaders (great band ... why was all the press given over to Courtney Pine in those years?), definitely check out Unforseen Blessings. (Tower online actually has it in stock!)

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... and dig Chico's appearances on the Black Saint label. Some very fine playing there.

Yes, Daddy Von is justifiably revered, but what about Chico the Son? (Now I'm going to use a colloquialism I can't stand ... ) — where are "the props" for Chico?

I'm in full agreement with you there — and I wouldn't say that your description is an overstatement! I've always had a soft spot for Brownie's Paris recordings. In fact, I happen to like them quite a bit more than his polished work for EmArcy. Brownie's playing on "I Can Dream, Can't I?" — it's one of the few times where I actually want to listen to the master take immediately followed by the alternate takes ... on repeat! To my ears, it's rawer Clifford Brown, while still beautiful and (yes) innocent. This is such important music (I'm thinking of 1953 Paris recordings) — it should really be honored by at least a Mosaic Select. Strange that these recordings were originally released by Vogue, then licensed by Blue Note, then licensed by Prestige, and now are under the BMG umbrella ... and still don't have a permanent home in the U.S. market!

I haven't, but the title will go down on the list — thanks! Right now, I'm trying to track down some out-of-print William Bronk (before I fold and just go for the "Collected" ... which really won't be a bad alternative).

Up Popped the Two Lips is a fine record. I'd say, even though it's a later recording, it would make a good entry point into Threadgill's work. Nuff is great, too.

A cross-reference heads-up double-post twin-whammy: CDUniverse still has all three editions of the Vogue/BMG Clifford Brown in Paris digipacks! (Clickable Smilie of Celebratory Ben Wallace)

I've been trying to locate BVCJ 3730. Hiroshi couldn't find it for me, and I thought I'd ask here for any possible leads ... By the way, while the three volumes (Vogue/BMG digipacks) of Brownie's 1953 Paris recordings are technically out-of-print, CDUniverse has all of them — in stock — currently for $9.59 each. A heads-up, so somebody here can snag them!

Lo and behold, that Vogue 10" LP made its way onto compact disc in 1999! It's a Japanese mini-LP (BVCJ 37027), containing the track, sans Brownie, entitled "Le Rose Noire." A nice one! Let's see if I can attach a picture of the cover ...

Thanks D.D. — I'll make a note of all those. I've been checking out sound samples online (Amazon seems to have a lot), and totally passed over some titles that are now on "the list." I added: • Charles Gayle: "Consecration" • Pullen, Freeman, Hopkins, Battle: "Warriors" • Joseph Jarman: "Earth Passage" I listened to "Milano Strut," but can't say I was immediately taken by it — still, with a sound sample you don't get much. Nevertheless, I am a Don Pullen fan, and some titles take time to grow on you. Damn, there's so much good music on these labels. I thought I had a fair amount ... but was (fortunately or unfortunately) mistaken! I wish I had jumped more squarely on the cybermusicsurplus wagon when it rode through town. I only scampered alongside it for a few blocks ...

Also adding the Tchicai, Ikiru!

Nate — yup. I don't have any ROVA on those labels, though do have some Larry Ochs sides. I have one Taylor (For Olim), and have always meant to get Winged Serpents. I think I might go for the Roach-Taylor collaboration first though.

Thanks for the reminder, Guy — I'm adding Jang to the list. From reading about it in the Penguin guide, Tianenman! looks interesting. Anyone heard that one? Jang has at least one more on Black Saint (or Soul Note), but I can't now remember the title.

Listening to Blu, Blu, Blu right now. Patience Higgins — woo hoo!

Up! I've been compiling a shopping list of Black Saint and Soul Notes, and thought I'd poll the board for further recommendations. Here's the list so far: 1. Sam Rivers-Don Pullen: Capricorn Rising 2. Max Roach: Scott Free 3. Frank Lowe: The Flam 4. Andrew Hill: Strange Serenade 5. Joseph Jarman-Don Moye-Don Pullen: The Magic Triangle 6. Joseph Jarman-Don Moye: Black Paladins 7. Muhal Richard Abrams: Hearinga Suite 8. Andrew Cyrille: Metamusicians' Stomp 9. Andrew Hill: Verona Rag 10. Marcello Melis: The New Village on the Left 11. Max Roach-Cecil Taylor: Historic Concerts 12. Don Pullen: Milano Strut 13. Rob Brown: High Wire What titles would you add? Delete? Prioritize? To complicate things, I have a fair amount from these labels already. Rather than list them all, I'll just mention some names that are already in the collection: • Steve Lacy • Jimmy Lyons • Julius Hemphill • Henry Threadgill • Billy Harper • Anthony Braxton • David Murray • Ellery Eskelin • Tim Berne • Bill Dixon Judging from that list immediately above, I guess I'd say my ears gravitate toward the saxophone — and I always welcome "out" sounds (while generally of an acoustic nature). Recommend away! Thanks.

To my knowledge, Joe McPhee hasn't recorded with Mathew Shipp — or at least not on the album pictured above. Are you thinking of another album?

I actually don't spin Lovano too often, but 52nd St. Themes is my favorite record of his — by a lot.

Sahib Shihab (on baritone especially) and Cecil Payne of course would be great — two of my favorite under-remarked saxophonists. I was just having fun mixing so-called "Coasts". (A person can't knock Henry Coker on trombone for his contributions to Dameron recordings, either. Great sound.) Actually, on drums, I'd like to hear Roy Haynes with Dameron. Yes, Fats with Tadd has that extra sprinkle of magic ...

Is the Williams on Frog generally the "best" way (sonically) to go? I only have one Williams disc (on a non-"legit" label), and would like to change that.

I mentioned Chuck Mangione over in the current Blakey Trumpet thread — somewhat tongue-in-cheek — but the guy, a Jazz Messenger circa '66-'68 (I think those are the years), really does have solid chops. Cannonball Addereley got the Mangione brothers (and Sal Nistico) onto Riverside, and all their efforts there are worth hearing: The Jazz Brothers Hey Baby! Spring Fever Recuerdo Listen to some sound samples online — you might be surprised!

Are those your photos, Marcello? Chuck with a Diz horn — nice!

... and he used to sport a crewcut —

Listening to Tadd on Clifford Brown's Prestige Memorial at the moment — I think it's Dameron's use of dynamics that reminds me of Blake. (Though "stark" is certainly a good word for both pianists.) Not to derail the thread too much, but what would your "dream" Dameron band be? Or, to put it another way, who would you most like to hear play Dameron's compositions and arrangements? For fun, let's say it's the mid-50's. I'd go with: ~ for brass: Clifford Brown: trumpet Julius Watkins: French horn Frank Rosolino: trombone Bill Barber: tuba ~ for reeds: Charlie Mariano: alto saxophone Bill Perkins: tenor saxophone Danny Bank: baritone saxophone ~ with: Tadd Dameron: piano Wilbur Ware: bass Philly Joe Jones: drums Candido: conga Not a very likely conglomeration, but I'd love to hear how these guys would tackle Tadd's charts ...