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The lyrics aren't that bad in theory...

Whoa...

I believe so. A very multi-faceted talent.

Hmmm...played piano w/Lester Young, arranged for Marvin Gaye, wrote "A Taste Of Honey"...maybe not "heavy" in any one thing, but anybody with that wide a range, not just of skills but of demonstrated more-than-mere-competency is certainly no "lightweight"...

Bobby Scott was an interesting person...

Alan King was a main change on Capitol

I think this is a quite valid statement...Herbie worked through early Evans influence fairly quickly....truthfully, I think he got on his own road pretty quickly..the way he comped for Wayne, the voicings & harmonies & textural approaches, I don't think Bill Evans would have even thought about going there...Bill was quite happy playing finely honed "trio songs", Herbie was thinking orchestral and allowed Tony & Wayne to do the same (as was also their natural wont to a large extent). Bottom line for me, I see Evans as a hugely important voice, but not so much for what that voice spoke itself as for what it stirred in the imaginations of other voices, voices who would speak more strongly, more boldly, and more clearly defined than the voice that initially inspired them.

Well, you got the early OP influence right... I think where everybody's going off track, though, is looking for just one or two guys as being "the" ones who opened things up harmonically, when the truth is there was a whole bunch of people looking at different approaches to tonality. If you "study music" in an ongoing fashion, sooner or later you're gonna go there.

I like images & signatures alike. Especially them purty girlz... The political avitar thing, though...I can see some "violation" issues here...if a deal had to be made, I suggest the options be keeping the political forum and banning political avatars or dropping the political forum and allowing political avatars. My vote, if one was to be called for, would be to keep the political forum and ban political avatars. But I don't think that's necessary, at least at this juncture.

Evan, I love you man, I hope you know that, so take this as one friend to another - you're wrong about all of this.

Again I say it - Romo is a flake. A ginormously gifted flake, but a flake nevertheless.

The Mtume thing was recorded live, wasn't it?

Yes, but they're much easier to do now. You can easily assemble a master take of a track digitally using bits and pieces of things. My point was digital technology allows you to obsess to a whole new level. Yeah, I agree.

Joni Mitchell still has hands?

Plenty of punch-in's on those old Beatles records...

That and the fact that pop records back then were made on fairly rigid timetables. That would soon change... But apparently somebody knew something was wrong... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSPmb0a5vZA The lead-in to that first bridge is simply marvelous, and more than a little reminiscent, not in a "copycat" way but more of a "great minds thinking alike" type way.

How 'bout we just eradicate all recording with drum machines up to the point where they (the so-vcalled "dance underground" finally figured out how to make them groove? I'd gladly make that deal!

It's turns into terminal escapism really, really quickly. History is good, a well-informed historical perspective (individual & global) even better. But living on memories instead of in the present sucks, and living on memories and actually avoiding the present and dreading the future is pretty much lethal.

There's a lot to recommend among their early 70's recordings, although as times changed, so did their music. Yeah, I know...what turned me of real quick about post-Beatles pop/rock/etc was that the tempos too often slowed down & the lyrics too often were, for lack of a better term, "stupid" (pop lyrics have hardly ever been SMART, but they have been direct, and I appreciate that...). I call it the Elton John Syndrome & I couldn't get with it then or now. My issue, I'm sure, but whatever the first record was that featured that plodding 4/4, hit a chord on everry beat piano style that rapidly became the Kudzu of Pop, I'd like to get a time machine and go back to the session and STOP IT BEFORE IT EVEN GOT STARTED.

Whatever that means. I could do with a translation too. I think he's trying to say that the Beatles have, for better or worse, left an indelible mark on his psyche that has altered his perception of darn near everything since he was 8. Could be right although in the same vein have the Japanese moved on? Mr Deeley is totally correct, and yes, I've read quotes/conversed with people from/in Japan that would seem to indicate that Hiroshima caused a profound collective re-evaluation of the basic national character that lingers to this day, although by now it's as much be osmosis than actual conscious deliberation. Stipulated that the comparison is perhaps not in the "best of taste" and has a very narrow, specific intent, but as far as it goes to the immediate and permanent/lingering impact that seeing that first Beatles on the Sullivan show has had on me (and god knows how many others), I stand by it 100%

Don Ellis on Columbia, promo copies of Arista/Freedom releases, Blue Note & Pacific Jazz cutouts, the ongoing discovery of jazz in general, & waiting for BS&T to get good again after New Blood (never happened...) that's my teenage nostalgia. The Beatles, that's more like a permanent brainfuck at age 8. Of course I've moved on, just as Japan has moved on from Hiroshima...