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I thnk they sounded more confident, and maybe less "wondrous" in that their improvisations weren't quite as...holistically improvised as they were the first time around. How could they be? Don't get me wrong though - wonderful music, highly recommended And Swallow on electric...that changes the center of gravity ever-so-slightly yet noticeably. But not in a bad way.

Never even knew about this one until reading one of the obits.

That album...you talk about an iron fist in a velvet glove, this is it. Nothing "easy" going on here...sort of an unheralded masterpiece, I think.

And oh by the way, the "old jazz culture" as well as the "old jazz" were never really about a "style of music", that was just the vehicle.

She's right - the old jazz culture doesn't exist any more (well, it does, but it's so underground and so fragmented as to not really be there anywhere other than in itself), and as a result, neither does the "old jazz", up to and including the post-free things, although this degree of separation varies widely from locale to locale. So what we have is a network of institutions trying to keep a music - or more accurately, a representation of a music - alive just to say that it's alive just so that people can work in it and then be able to say that it's alive so that people can work etc etc etc. I mean, it's "noble" and all that, and I'd be lying if I said that I don't feel a certain "nostalgic" compulsion to support that goal, in truth.... You don't keep something alive by trying to keep it alive, you keep it alive by letting it die and be reborn as the need(s) arise. If it needs to be reborn, it will be, and all the "wanting" in the world can neither prevent nor create that.

Never really paid any attention to him, different "zones" and all that, but from what I've read/heard over the years he appears to have been a wonderfully open man with a true generosity of spirit. That's the type of person whose loss from this plane will always be felt as deeply as their presence is welcome while they are here. Generosity of spirit...the older I get, the more I come to the conclusion that there is no happy life without generosity of spirit...

That's a different Joe Daley. The one under discussion here is/was a tenor player from Chicago.

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There were two albums on Choice? This I did not know....

It may not be a product of your imagination , but it is nonetheless a subjective projection as per your, "All music, all music, "holds an intrigue and depth which" we create ourself." Fair enough , but doesn't such a subjectivism render your use of the expression "real musical substance" meaningless inasmuch as it implicitly references an objectivist distinction ? No, it just continues to play the game with the same cards rather than changing the deck. Or vice-versa. One or the other, you tell me, I'm sitting here in my drawers waiting for LTB to get outta the shower... An epigram worryingly reminiscent of the kind of commodified dissent peddled by the likes of Nike..... What makes something worthy of commoditization, after all, is it's underlying usefulness. Worry when I start running third world sweatshops & start trying to pimp ok-at-best athletic footwear. Until then... And oh by the way, I fully stipulate that whatever I say here that is not proffered as historical fact is to me nothing more than my subjective interpretation of personally processed stimuli. To think otherwise would be kinda wack, doncha' think?

I think his work with Chico Hamilton really holds up as a the work of a distinctive voice with a personal story to tell.

Iron skull in a velvet...fashion accessory.

I dig a chick who can wield an effective head butt.

I can't be sad. Too much life came through the man and was preserved for anybody who wants it to be sad that the inevitable finally occurred. I won't be sad. I've been uplifted more times than I can count by the man's music, and I see no reason for that to end now. What I can & will be is grateful, grateful that at least some people in at least some points of time take advantage of their life to open it up and not be afraid and then share it with the rest of us. Not everybody is so courageous or so generous. But Jimmy Giuffre was. God bless the child that's got his own? Jimmy Giuffre definitely had his own, and he let it be ours as well. A well deserved rest in peace for this man.

Well, that would be one way to look at it, wouldn't it now... Fortunately, my prostate is fine, and even more fortunately I still don't care much for the Mizells. It might interest you to know, though, that I did dig Roy Ayers back in the day (when I was alive and..."active"), as I did Crown Heights Affair & Silver Connection. Dug them at the same time I was digging Arista Braxton & a whole bunch of "other" musics. I spent many a night listening to non-stop disco radio (the good stuff too, not the Top 40 crap) on on my way from kinda "out" jam sessions to a six-night-a-week salsa gig. And when that going was over, no telling what I'd listen to on the way home, or after I got home, either alone or..."accompanied". It could (and was) have been anything. Except opera... The notion that "older" people somehow can't relate to a good dance groove is pretty naive, really. If I ever reach the point where that doesn't happen naturally, then I want it to be time for me to die. I think a lot of "older" people breathe a sigh of relief because it's finally the time of life where it's "ok" for them to not feel what they never felt as a time when they "should" have felt it. Good for them, I say. It's finally time for them to accept their deadness of spirit as socially correct. Why not just go ahead and finish the job all the way then, ok? Bets the hell out of holding high office... As for the accoutrements of the "club scene", hey, whatever. If we wanna play that game, then Ornette should still be limited to houses both road & whore, dig? The good thing about now being "older" is that now I can more fully separate "music" from "trappings". I don't need to hear MAW in a club to get the innate musicality present in their work. If anything, I get it better by not being in a club.Fortunately, once music gets made, it's fair game for any use in any environ, and if I find it useful for girding for ongoing spiritual warfare, that is every bit as valid as using it to stay up all night to get one's nasty on. And it's as valid for doing those two things as it is anything else. All music, all music, "holds an intrigue and depth which" we create ourself. Don't ever think it otherwise. Remember when jazz used to really swing? Well, if you're of a certain age, probably not, but it's there on the records. I caught the tail end of it myself, and know good and damn well, that their is a certain "dance impulse" that one either has or doesn't, feels or doesn't, and that it comes out no matter what type of music is on the (turn)table. Cecil Taylor has it (and copiously), Matthew Shipp knows it exists but isn't always sure if he has it (or where), & Alexander von Schlippenbach might have it, but if he does, it's in a parallel universe from the one in which I live, and as such, the only way I could know for sure would be if worlds collide, which, as the movie taught us, is not something to be hoped for. We all have choices to make along the way, and for me, few are more critical or life-defining than the choice made when one has a chance to define or be defined. If we let "trappings" create definition, then we allow ourselves to be a part of the resultant definitions, and ultimately we allow ourselves to be defined, thereby forfeiting any and all claims to legitimate self-definition . I'm 52, reasonably jazz savvy (but gee, where did all those Beatles & JB 45s in my closet come from?), house music is mostly found in environs of mindless hedonistic pursuit, therefore the music itself should be beneath my dignity & if I find it otherwise, it is because I am having "identity" issues and any real musical substance I find is entirely a product of my imagination. Nicely pre-defined dynamic, and fuck that in no uncertain terms. Fuck all this volunteered slavery shit in each and every damn form in which it presents itself, and if you can't tell where it is until it's too late, don't blame me. If you were born with your freedoms inside you & don't use 'em when you get a chance, hey. Like or don't like, pursue or don't pursue, think about it or don't think about, just make sure you're doing what you do - and that includes engaging as well as avoiding - because of you, not because of "trappings". Define, don't be defined. Now here, take this and have some fun with it: http://www.brokenbeatradio.com/sounds/bbradio-070207.mp3

I thought so! Here's another suggestion... Open/download this thing here: http://www.routesinrhythm.com/music/route225.m4a & move it on up to the 11:30-ish mark. There you'll start getting into: Just let that groove, that tempo, that groove, that, pocket, that sound, that...thing have its way with you for about eight minutes, let it lift you off the ground and out of the gravity of the mundane into a zone where everything is floating and connected and all moving as one in the rhythm of the life creation dance. It's a good thing.

May I suggest a replacement image?

Sounds like he could just as easily have started talking about the joys of playing with OPP... Happy birthday to one of the true forces of nature that this music has channeled into our world. Maximum Love Points to the power of infinity!

That's the thing that continues to fascinate me about the best of this stuff, how, besides being totally solid for inducing joyous celebrationalism, it does hold up to close, careful, analytical listening. The "paradigm" is totally different than for other musics, but once one accepts that (if one chooses to), there is so much detail to glom onto, so many conscious choices being made. Plus, the flow of a nonstop mix is subject to so many possibilities that to hear each DJs take on how to "put it all together" is consistently intriguing. Infinite possibilities within a seemingly fixed format... Fascinating, engrossing music for me, whether used for intellectual, physical, or spiritual interfacing.

Here's a good site for keeping up with what's going down: http://www.deepersoul.blogspot.com/ The mixes there are mostly outstanding. Mostly. And the clips of new releases are always welcome.

And in other news, Clinton wins Pennsylvania.

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Now this, this Ladies & Gentlemen, is what so many of the American studio albums of the time hinted at and should have been. http://www.dustygroove.com/item.php?id=bxg...p;ref=index.php This is some baaaaad tenor playing, muscular, virile, and no discomfort or doubts present. Carpe diem, y'all.

It's nice to hear a musical story that goes all the way through without modulating for the "big finish'. I hate that shit.