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This is that Mongo thing that Joe played for me. Guess only five cuts are live (from 1968), but Fortune is on fire! It's called Afro-American Latin, and was released in 2000.

So are people's positive misinterpretations of Hopper's work more valid than positive misinterpretations of Coltrane's late work, or should both be viewed suspectly?

WNMC, you're cool, man, just switch to decaf for a while. JUST KIDDING!!! Seriously, you make quite a few valid (I think) points. But so do others. It's the lack of acknowledgement of the latter that might create reservations about your motives. However, I do agree - there are some pepole who use music (and not just late-Trane, etc) as a "badge" of sorts, who like the idea of the music better than the music itself. I see them all the time when I play club dates. But there are those who really DO enjoy the music of late-Trane and that which followed in his wake, and they're not all musicians who understand the technical aspect of it, not by a long shot. I see them too. The phony and the real, you gots'em both. I just don't worry too much about it. I got bills to pay just like everybody else, and I don't have to respect somebody's motives to welcome their patronage. Sitting down at the bar with them, now, that's an ENTIRELY different matter. Suffice it to say that there are some nights when I willingly sit by myself, and other nights when I'm a freakin' gadfly. It's a big world, and we seldom get it all at once.

Yeah, I tend to be a tenor-centric S.O.B. Occupational hazard, I suppose.

Man, I wish I could read your site. Anybody who digs Bill Barron's HIGHER GROUND is ok by me! As for how we know about MP Jazz Forum, you'd have to ask David Ayers, who posted the link that started this thread. But if you know any posters over there who are interested, let them know about this site as well, please. The more the merrier!

Very good points, Mike. FWIW, MERRY GO ROUND employed piano as well as guitar, IIRC.

Welcome, Philly! Stick around and join in the fun. Is your site a retail site or a fan site? Eitehr way, like I noted earlier, your taste in jazz seems quite good!

Well, the "troll" thing is due to how you take whatever is offered as rebuttal to your points and view it as either a single exception to your truth rather than a legitimate counter to it (which is not to say that you're wrong, just that there's room for being both right AND wrong about the same thing, depending on where and what you're sampling) that might represent a single valid example of an equally valid larger whole, or insisting that the person who offers the rebuttal is misinterpreting the reality of what it is they're presenting, which seems to me to be setting up a "no win" scenario for anybody who disagrees even partially with you. Intentionally or not, that's the net result. But if I thought that you really were a troll, I'd not be having this conversation with you. I DO think that you're damn sure of yourself, and that's a good thing, to be sure. But I DO get the impression that you're not willing to entertain the possibility that your positions might prove less than 100% accurate when applied to ALL scenarios, and that, I feel, is possibly a case of the proverbial "having just enough knowledge to be dangerous". But I could be wrong. Maybe you just REALLY enjoy a rigorous debate and yield no ground unless absolutely necessary, even when you know there's validity in doing so. I'm getting old and tired, and that "style" of discussion doesn't much thrill me anymore, but I know those for which it does, and more power to them. Follow your bliss, as they say. But know that the number of doubts to be given the benefit of is finite for most people, and that giving it to others' input tends to increase the likelihood others giving it to yours. In other words, I don't think you're a troll, I just think you're possibly a bit rigid and theoretical, but possibly not. But you do your fair share of begging the question your own self, if not "technically", then definitely in spirit. But no big whoop - anybody who cops to a "high-pitched and squeaky" voice is all right with me!

Dude, if your point is that there's a lot of B.S, in the music/art world, on all sides, you're preaching to the choir. It's a fact of life. But like all facts of life, after one comes to terms with it, even if that coming to terms is at times difficult and shattters a lot of illusions (and it does, or at least it did for me), then one moves on and goes about one's business, aware of the B.S., but not letting it ruin an otherwise nice day. Kinda like billboards. I strongly suspect that those who need to know will, sooner or later; those who don't never will; those who should but never do become professors, and that those who would like to know but don't really need to end up as critics. As a rule. Of course, this being reality and stuff, some people inevitably slip through somebody else's cracks and get more (or less) than what they expected. Messes up the stats and stuff, but that's life. Bleesings and curses, ya' never know which it is until it's too late! I can't believe I'm responding to this. You seem so much like a troll, yet I don't think you are. It's just that your grasp of things is so CERTAIN and that you're correct as far as you go, which I personally think is just far enough to be dangerous, but then again, it's your life, so dance with the one who brung ya', and Bon Bal!

Just what I need - more voices in my head.

No, that's that Matthew Bodine, the hilbilly movie star, and son of Ravi Shankar's hairdresser, Kenna Combovver-Aftadinna. Confusing, I know, but I got this damn 100 year old parrot squaking at me while I'm trying to think. YOU try it! So, this bird is 108 years old? And spent how many years with Churchill? So much for the harmful effects of secondhand smoke!

They got a cat named "Philly" who looks like he has really good taste. Check out his own site: http://mypaper.pchome.com.tw/news/bluenote27/

DAMN! I thought the guy was going to point us to good deals online. Oh well... So anyway, this "Quest" band, this Mel Walton guy with Eric Dailey and Booker Irving, are they touring? Maybe if they had a video I'd know who they are.

No doubt, since Farrell was also a very busy session musician during the same time. That's the very nature of that beast.

Yeah, it's Farrell. The liner notes on the LP say so, and liner notes never lie. See my comments above about "Elvin Tenor Vocabulary". This is a good case in point. Listen to George on the rest of the album, and listen to him w/Miles, or anywhere else and you might hear what I mean. Now, there's a near-classic version of "Laura" on an Enja album of Elvin @ the Village Vanguard w/Coleman & Little (and on "Mr. Jones", Hannibal on trumpet). George plays his ass off, and his vocabulary is laced with many of the same licks/devices that Farrell uses here. It's the "New York Tenor" sound that became the de facto way to play for generations of young players, especially those who had a "jazz education" background. If that implies a certain similarity, so be it. Coleman and Farrell are both strong, personal players whose work stands on its own merits, but I think you can see in a cut like this the beginnings of the stylistic homogenization that lay not too further up the road. And yeah, I still love this cut and this (and those) albums. It's what they led to that I have some ambivalence about. But that's certainly not the "fault" of anybody heard here!

http://musicpower.080.net/~musicp/bbs/show...3?threadid=2857 Somebody needs to tell them that she's Ravi's daughter. They don't seem to know.

Thank God! I was beginning to feel like Jethro Modine!

Ok, this HAS to be it. "If you were a parrot, I'd let you wake up in the morning, but I'd still be sober!" Right?

Thanks, Larry. At under $5, it sounds like a can't-miss deal. Teo actually wrote that? GEESH! You think he had a relapse on QUIET NIGHTS? (I know, better than generally acknowledged. But I takes 'em where I finds 'em...)

I think two full weekends after the first guesses begin to roll in is a good window of opportunity.

My bell bottom has turned into a bell gut. Different kinda riot goin' on there!

Fair enough underground, and I'll agree with you, if subtly. Perhaps it was the "neither fish nor fowl" aspect of Sly's pre-RIOT music that was his "downfall"? Not quite rock, not quite R&B, not wholly black, not wholly white. A little bit of everything at once with a very imaginative (damn near all those songs have SOME sort of REALLY wierd musical element to them; weird but right) producer/arranger/bandleader running the show. "Something for everybody" works only until everybody wants something. Because the more they get, the more they want. Idealism is a great come-on, it gets you in the door and to the table, but how often is it actually in the contract? I don't think Sly read the fine print.

Can't find the images on line. Been looking. Lon's right, INFINITY IS has a goofy-ass cover. There was a third Atlantic - WITH SOUND REASON. They were all "good", but a HUGE let-down after the Strata-East & Horizon stuff.

Wait a sec... If you were my parrot, dear lady, I'd LET you! THAT'S how it went, right?

Well, I was just "passing thru" the store in a bit of an unauthorized-stop-better-get-the-hell-home hurry, so I put it in a "safe spot". It'll be there tomorrow, trust me.