Scott Dolan

Seems so ... but if it bothers you really, you maybe ought to take a stand against moronity such as that New Yorker piece, instead of proclaiming an anything goes and no one was hurt attitude. Just think about it for a second. If I find something unfunny I just move on. I don't weep and gnash teeth while making laughable claims about the whole world being hurt by it. Besides, I don't need to take a stand. There's already enough of you folks out there clutching your purse with lips quivering to handle this one.

It's very simple, really. Norah Jones is not one of "those of us who take the performance of jazz and improvised music seriously, as something of a sacred mission and deeply personal expression,and, yes, as an ART form..." See, she doesn't take improvising seriously because she changes up the phrasing on Jazz standards.

He should sue anyone stupid enough to think those were his own words. This society is getting a little dumber by the day...

Your comments combined with Allen's sound disturbingly similar to John Tynan's comments about Coltrane and Dolphy.Defend the perceived fortress!I have no idea what the "perceived fortress" is. I love Coltrane & Dolphy together, separately, whatever.Are you saying I called Norah Jones the "anti-jazz"?Sorry I disturbed you, but you seem a little obsessed with this issue.If you like woman singers of the non-jazz ilk, spend a little time with Karen Berquist of Over The Rhine.There - I got snobby again. The perceived fortress is whatever you deem near and dear. Just as Tynan perceived Jazz as being Swing and Bebop. Then when Coltrane and Dolphy tried taking their own thing in a different direction it was taken as a personal affront to the sacred. Which is the same thing as what has been going on in this thread. And now you seemingly throw a side of sexism into the mix. It's all rather endearing in a troglodyte kinda way. Lock the gates!

Your comments combined with Allen's sound disturbingly similar to John Tynan's comments about Coltrane and Dolphy. Defend the perceived fortress!

Well said. Allen, if you can't take it, why dish it out? I have no ill will towards you personally, or professionally. But there are consequences for your words, just like anyone else. And whether you meant for your comments to sound condescending to Norah Jones or not, they most certainly came across that way. She was "dabbling" in your genre of choice, and you didn't much care for it. Well, too bad. I always figured Jazz always sought to be democratic and inclusive. Not the exclusive members only art form you're presenting it as.

Exactly.

Bad humor harms the entire world, and you love strippers. It's getting pretty difficult to take anything you say seriously. As for Norah, nobody is apologizing for enjoying her music. That's just a fantasy you've concocted because you don't have the capacity to believe anyone would like her music on it's own merits.

Because she invaded sacred territory and desecrated it! Don't you see?! She took a hallowed art form and turned it into a plastic product for mass consumption.

Good lord. One can only hope that was a bad attempt at humor on your part.

I've never understood artists, or fans for that matter, that take their preferred genre so damned seriously. "This is serious business, and Norah is minimizing it!" *sniff* Bullshit. It's just another form of entertainment that she tried her hand at. If you don't like it, don't pay attention to it. Millions of others enjoyed it.

Who did it harm? Aside from the overly sensitive Jazz fan...

"...and controverts the very essence of the art form this grand hero has embodied for more than half a century..." ...he typed breathlessly! Oh well, I guess hyperbole never killed anyone.

I'm digging your "not in my back yard" belittling. "You're real cute, Norah. Now run along, us real Jazz musicians have work to do."

Over one harmless but awful attempt at humor??!! When did you become so hysterical? But at least Handey was usually pretty funny. I always enjoyed his "Deep Thoughts" segment on SNL.

The "worst day of my life" one made me chuckle, but that is one of the dopiest attempts at humor I've seen in a long time. I have no clue what the point was.

I think she has her own style, and that it's pretty ridiculous to blast her for it. Isn't that the goal of every musician? And her success cannot be argued against.

No, Allen. There were purists at the time that claimed Monks phrasing was "all wrong", just as you are claiming Norah's phrasing is all wrong. And I'm taking your claim as seriously as I would take theirs.

What I mostly see is re-releases. "Newly mastered". You have to also understand that we are part of the Jazz community, so of course we're tuned into every "new" release that comes out. At the end of the day, there is no dam bursting. Just my opinion, mind you.

"Death" isn't an accurate way of describing either, Peter. They've relaxed into their own niche. They'll always exist, but they both experienced their heyday in the past. That's actually pretty accurate. How weird is THAT?!

Yes, yes. Just rub it in...

That's definitely a highlight from that album, Jim. As I said, I have always found it to be an enjoyable listen. My wife had the CD in her car player for about a solid year. The title track is one of my go to tracks when auditioning equipment.

I'm not sure I've ever heard Phil Woods. Why do folks here have a beef with him?

That's an excellent point, GA. I certainly stand corrected since I made that mistake. Which is really sad considering I call them albums in every format.

Ah, OK. I didn't realize she started out as a true Jazz artist. Her debut album wasn't, which led me to a incorrect assumption.