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Clare is one of those artist that really deserve the term "underrated" IMO .. I have both of the LPS you mention ( Extensions and Songs for Rainy Day Lovers ) but I havent played them in years ..cuz no working turntable! I've alway enjoyed his work as a composer /arramger ..he has touches of the Johnny Mandel approach in his string and woodwind stuff and the Extensions big band had one of the best sax section solis I ever heard ..if I remember correctly .. needless to say, he's also a wonderful pianist ..and whoever mentioned his unique harmonic sense was right on the money .. thaks for the hedz up on his website ..I'll have to see if those LPs have bee remastered for CD..

I can tell you ..mixing an album takes at least two days ..not counting "party time"..( and post mixing R&R of course ) Methinks DEEP will resurface late this week with more outrageous tales from the Big Apple ..

Thanks Free, and all the rest of youse for your kind BD wishes.. BTW: If your'e having trouble getting the CZ CD, try : www.bigbandjazz.net I'm pretty sure they still have copies in stock .. for my own edification, where were they backordered ?

All you Organissimo-ers with decent computer speakers, please check out the RealPlayer clips from " Convergence Zone "now up on my website and see how they sound to you .. ( I have real rotten little iMac deals and cant tell ..) www.philkellymusic.com I'd like some feedback on the samples ..thanks in advance!

Anyone here in the market for the new flourescent day -glo bumper stickers were gonna have printed up that will simply say: "ABB.. 04" this can be translated as: Americans Buy Bebop Asskickin' Big Bands or .. Anybody but Bush

I'm UPPING myown self!! a CONVERGENCE ZONE CD ( origin 82417 ) makes a great stocking stuffer ( and works even better in a CD player ) now available at : www.bigbandjazz.net www.originrecords.com as well as thry Amazon .com, Barnes and Noble, Borders, and Tower Records

Ddidn't see the show, but the last one I recall for the past several years was LA studio guy Vinnie Coliauta .. before that , it was Omar Hakim for a while .. and it doesn't matter if you get to hear their name ..thay ALL get paid quite well , fly and live first class, etc ..

Yes ...with Chico. Did you gig around here ? Harold: Yeh .. in the early /mid 60s, I basically worked outta NYC with various bands, singers, and the like.. for details, check out my bio on my website: www.philkellymusic.com

SGUD, Of course I know Eddie Cac. He was with Julius LaRosa. He wanted to buy some vintage cans from a cat I used to watch and learn from. Haven't seen Eddie Cac since my Condon days. DEEP Weird: I wonder when he did Julies gig ..? cuz I did that one too in 65 ..when I wrote some stuff for him .. John Dentz ..yeh in the 60s with Frankie ( Chico ) Randall , right? I recall he had a VERY fast set of hands on him ..

Another vote here for the CHJO Jeffs a great drummer, Johns an excellent writer ( as well as a real nice guy ) and they've got great players .. whats not to like there ?

Wow ..a name from the past .. I haven't seen him since the early 60s in Lodi NJ ..when I was working in NYC with a singer named Frank D'Rone ..and we camped out a a friends house in Lodi ..and Tony lived there then as I recall .. I remember doing some hanging with him and Billy Lavorgnia during that peroid .. no info since speaking of missing drummers ..DEEP you ever run into Eddie Cacavelli in NYC? Hewas before (and after )me on SI Z's band

( deep said) >>To date the three have amassed sales exceeding 4,000,000. BTW: Pick them up if you see them. They're swingin' and are also good Christmas Music. One tune was used in the movie "While we were sleeping" starring Sandra Bullock. I get checks from Disney productions for that. Jazz doesn't sell shit but we're in the second pressing of the first Big Band Bloviation and Vol. Two is on the way. << No shit DEEPlock.. now you know why all my years of maling musical weenies to ORDER for DIGIT and writing crappy big band rockuntroll for sweaty football replays and even worse things for ad agencies with taste up their a*****es ?? for the AFM /EPW fund ..and ASCAP !! so now I can retire and do for FUN what I f****ing well please ..and put out jazz albums that probably wont sell shit either ..( but I do hope I hit a 2nd pressing in a year or so )

Catesta: Bravissimo !! .. Bella bella mangia!! .. Can you have your catering wagon dump a load of all those goodies ( plus two orders of Clams Possilipo ) up here in Baja British Columbia for Xmas eve molto scarfage ?? much rather eyeball ( better yet ,scarf )great food than listen to DEEP anyway ..

Sorry ..Ididn't mean to come off so holier than thou earlier, because my hands aren't any cleaner than the rest of us .in that musician friends trade CDs all the time of live performances and other materials they may want of mine .. (film scores , etc) As far as downloading the OOP and live stuff, I guess I have to accept there is a gray area that will exist for a long time ..as long as recording and download thechnology exists ..

Well ..you wanted opinions on downloading jazz .or downloading period: As a guy who has a new big band CD out ( and a big prodduction nut to be covered ) AND the composer/arranger of most of the stuff ( therefore having an intellectual property issue as well) 1. I think it is fine for ME to post partial mp3s for promotion and to give potential buyers a taste of what they'll get when they buy the CD ..or hear other types of arranging and scoring work I've done ..this is kosher and it's my choice of what I put out there. However: 2. If full cuts from my CD were posted for downloading, I'm getting screwed outta money that I need to pay off the CD I've produced ( thus enabling me to consider further recoording), plus my copyright protection is being violated. This IS a crime , although the government hasn't figured out how to enforce it. And us small potatos jazz guys cant afford the raft of attorneys that the RIAA brought to bear on all those Napster dorks who were megaripping Britney and Justin, et al. You jazz fans have to realize that jazz musicians are NOT rich and do have to foot the bill ( one way or another ) for getting our stuff out there for you to hear. We need to pay bills too .. And as far as downloading reisues and works of dead artists, you're STILL violating the rights of their estates to legitimate income ( that is , those who weren't screwed outta their copyrights when they recorded their work in the first place by unscrupulous producers... and record companies ) okay ..off my soapbox ..you get my drift

You might want to check out Steve Houghtons website ..he has several books out that concentrate on the function of the drummer in a group, reading, and other essential skills: http://www.houghtonmusic.com/

Yes definitely check out pedals; they can be so very different one to the next! I have an old Camco pedal that I love and haven't really used another pedal that I like as much. sometimes , the stuff they made 30 years ago IS better than what you have available now .. If you can lay your hands on an old Camco pedal that was chain modified by Frank Ippolito, buy it! The wak spot on the original was the leather strap, and the chain/sprocket modification fixed that for good! look in the back of drum shops ..you might even find a couple "old" Ks

Regarding hearing loss: When I started giggng in the mid 50s, I did a lot of work with ( very appropriately here ) rock house B3 trio and 4tets ..Red PrySock, Tiny Bradshaw, shuffle blues stuff. Since the drums were usually stuck between the Leslies going full tilt and the only mike was on the sax guy and the gitar was the only amped axe, I learned early on to try and preserve my hearing by stuffing cotton in my ears ..( as y'all know playing two hand shuffles with 3B stix on heavy ride cymabal s for four hours a night will build up chops , but it WILL be noisy ! ) After that, Like his Wingness, I went on to play with a bunch of big bands suffering the same brass abuse in my ears ..still using the cotton ..add to that about five years in a studio with a bad tinny headset ( late 60s ) pounding a click track in my left ear .. the upshot is even though I spent years producing ( and mixing at low levels ) in studios, I STILL have tintinnius ..and I was careful .. The point of this is all you young guys who are playing in greatly amplified situations today, TAKE CARE OF YER GODDAM EARS!!! ..you only get one set and its really easy to screw them up. BTW: My favorite kit ( when I was still playing ) was a early 70s Sonar Rosewood kit ..same sizes as Wingys lit ..( 19 B/ 8 and 14 Ts / 6.5 -14 metal snare ) wide open ..and I had no trouble pushing a big band with it.

It also doesn't belong in the Organissimo Forums Discussion forum. So I'm moving it, k? Sorry .. I'm new .just feeling my way around here ..put it where it belongs .. I posted it because it IS a sad commentary on the state of entertainment today, and that is related to the problems jazz performers deal with daily. I thought the disgusting lengths fading tenny boppers will go to trying to revive her musically totally unremarkable career was pertinent .. I guess it never occurred to her to learn to actually SING ..ar ACT ..or something .. MY point in posting this was: Britney herself isn't the enemy here ..the suits and PR flacks that dominate the music BUSINESS are ..

Well, it looks like after trying pseudo -lesbian lip locks with Madonna to revive her post pubescent scramble to remain in the press spotlight ( while still sporting a fairly genuine dearth of actual musical talent ), Britney has chosen to alert her publicist to her bouts with the porcelain microphone.. ( something many of us have done previously upon hearing her sttempts at "singing" ..) >> ( From todays Seattle P/I ..11/26 ) Did she or didn't she? The story going around is that Britney Spears vomited last week while partying with pals at Lotus, a trendy New York club. The club offered this dignified rebuttal: "There's no truth to the rumor that she was puking. She was in good form." In January Spears was overheard retching in a bathroom stall at a Hollywood hot spot during what the New York Post terms "a wild night of boozing." --P-I reporter Cecelia Goodnow © 1998-2003 Seattle Post-Intelligencer this isn't jazz, but it is a sad commetary on the state of pop music today ..

Sincy I notice Wingy (?) is flogging the Chameleon CD as well as DDanny D'Imperios Big Band Bloviation ( both really excellent albums BTW ) I felt I should help some friends of mine with some floggery as well: >> CONVERGENCE ZONE ..( Origin 82417 ) Phil Kelly and the Northwest Prevailing Winds After a 40 year career as a composer/ arranger in film & TV (including over 700 national TV commercials), Phil Kelly has “returned to his musical roots as a hobby,” and recorded his first big band jazz album. Featuring the very best studio and jazz players in the Pacific Northwest plus several old friends from L.A., New York and Nashville including Pete Christlieb, Andy Martin, Pat Coil, and Gary Smulyan, this album will be of great interest to fans of modern mainstream big band jazz. From Basie and Herman to Tower of Power and the Metropole Orchestra, Convergence Zone displays Kelly’s deep love and knowledge of the music and offers a fresh new platform for the big band idiom. TRACKS PERFORMERS 1 DAMP BROWN PLACES 6:39 2 CUZN BUBBA LUVZ EWE 6:11 3 SUBZTATOOT SHUFFLE 7:32 4 SWEET GEORGIA UPSIDE DOWN 5:15 5 BELLA LUCE 7:05 6 YOU AND THE NIGHT AND THE MUSIC 6:31 7 YADA YADA 5:28 8 O.T.B.S 7:21 9 KATHY’S WALTZ 4:29 10 THE REFRIGERATOR 8:26 Conductor: Phil Kelly Trumpets/Flugelhorns: BRAD ALLISON JAY THOMAS PAUL BARON (lead trumpet 3,5,7) VERN SEILERT Saxes /Woodwinds: BILL RAMSAY TRAVIS RANNEY PETE CHRISTLIEB JIM COILE GARY SMULYAN Trombones: ANDY MARTIN GARY SHUTES DAN MARCUS tuba NELSON BELL bass trombone Rhythm: JOHN HANSEN piano CHUCK DEARDORF bass GARY HOBBS drums Rhythm on “Bubba” and “Refrigerator”: PAT COIL piano PAUL LEIM drums CRAIG NELSON electric bass (Bubba) GERALD STOCKTON electric bass (Refrigerator) MARK BALDWIN guitar String Programming: MATT BENNETT PRODUCTION Recorded and mixed August 25 & 26, 2003 by TOM HALL at TRIAD STUDIOS, Redmond WA Except “Bubba” & “Refrigerator”recorded at The Holler in Nashville TN Engineered by DAVID HALL & mixed by DAVID LANGE at David Lange Studio, Tacoma WA Mastered by RICK FISHER at RFI Mastering, Seattle, WA Cover photography by TODD BISHOP Band photos by STEVE ROBINSON Layout & design by JOHN BISHOP/OriginArts and heres a sample review: >>Artist: Phil Kelly Title: Convergence Zone Publication: All About Jazz Reviewer: Dan McClenaghan If you watch any television at all it's a good bet you've heard Phil Kelly's sound. Kelly has worked for forty years as a composer/arranger in film and TV, including over 700 national TV commercials. For Convergence Zone Kelly has assembled some of the finest studio and jazz players in the Northwest for a swinging, sassy set of big band jazz. The opener, ?Damp Brown Places<sum> - a sendup of ?Camp Town Races<sum> - sets an immediate tone for the recording: clean lines and brightly polished, meticuolously-crafted arrangements; propulsive swing; and a sound that brings Doc Severinson's Tonight Show Band to mind. No surprise there, since Kelly has written for Doc's band, in addition to writing and arranging stints for trombonist Bill Watrous's NYC Big Band. ?Cuzn Bubba Luvz Ewe<sum> and ?The Refrigerator<sum> bring some funk into the mix, while ?Sweet Georgia Upside Down<sum> swings with a sweet Ellingtonian brass/reed mix. The arrangement on ?Bella Luce<sum> is reminscent of Robert Farnon's work on the late trombone master J.J. Johnson's great but underappreciated Tangence CD (Gigantes, 1995), with some subtle but beautifully-done string programming. Too many great solos to mention - two or three on every song; and listen to the way the limber rhythm guys adjust to the shift from ensemble to solo accompaniment throughout. A highly polished sound, well-crafted arrangements: a bright, swinging set of big band jazz. thank y'all for your supp hort!!

May Wingy (?) and the rest of y'all have a festive bird gobble before ya'll eat the stuffing though ..think of what it took to get the stuffing in the poor bird .. and contemplate if YOU'D want somebodys fist up there shoving bread in .. ..before they ate you ..