Adam

You'd think the person who was going to go to the trouble of pirating that clip from a DVD that is not yet out could have at least used a tripod to shoot it off their TV, and not done it hand held!

What language is that in the sub & supertitles? This is leaked slightly early.

This is the best site tracking releases of noteworthy DVDs: http://www.mastersofcinema.org/

Looking at the Taschen site http://www.taschen.com/ Claxton will also be at Dutton's Books on Thursday the 8th, and at the Strand Bookstore in New York on Dec. 13, and ICP in New York on Dec. 15

Just heard on KCRW this morning that Claxton will also be signing at Book Soup in West Hollywood tomorrow night (Wed Dec 7) at some point in the evening.

I'm planning to go to the signing at Taschen in Beverly Hills tomorrow (12/6), although work may prevent it. Who else is going?

Ah, so Claremont will have more shows. I made it to only one last round, the Dewey Redman. And even that I got to late due to traffic. But it was a good crowd, and he was in great tune, although more conservative than I would have expected. Those shows are in a large faculty dining room, and are not easy to find. That said, the Redman show was totally sold out by the time I got there, and I listened to much of it from outside the door. Yes, let's have a get together when you are here. We can also see what might be up at the Jazz Bakery by then. I saw Shorter last time he was in LA, and he was fabulous. But I think this show is ore orchestral , not jazz. I've also heard that even when Disney Hall is "sold out," one can usually get tickets at the door. That said, I still need to get tickets for Shorter and for the Maria Schneider Orchestra, which is playing there a bit later.

I was told by Jeff Gauthier that Nels & Alex Cline & others will be playing the music of Andrew Hill at Club Tropical in Culver City on 2/3, I believe, if you will be around that long. http://www.cryptonight.com/ Also, for more general information for Crypto Artists, http://www.cryptogramophone.com/index.php?...=Crypto&index=1 I still need to get tickets to that Wayne Shorter show. When & where is the Lee Morgan tribute?

Yep. It clearly (IMHO) was too long a segment to drop into the film at that point. I think Cooper dropped it for good reason. Unfortunately, of course, studios didn't worry too much about saving outtakes and scenes that hit the cutting room floor. Nice spider, though.

Hey all, Feel free to open it up to a discussion of the larger point of adapting contemporary pop & rock songs into jazz big band arrangements. I fin the album very enjoyable, but I too am finding its "jazz" interest limited. Track 1 doesn't do much for me. track 2 makes me think that Evans coould have tackled a blaxploitation film score.

I started going to Aron's when I went to Fairfax as well. When were you there? I graduated in 1984.

I think all you'd have to do is offer to take it over full time, and he would hand it to you. How much do you know about running a label?

I just bought that LP from Chuck. I had two friends visiting from the UK. I pulled out the LP and showed them, and one, Michael, cried out "That's John!." It turned out that Michael lived in John Steven's house (Stevens' daughter was his girlfriend) for a year or more when he (Michael) was 18/19. So we listened to the LP, which I enjoyed.

When I went to Aron's yesterday (to check it out in its closing sale), they had I think 3 copies of the US domestic Wilkerson set in the used bins. So if any of you want one... They also said that they have so much stuff "in the back" that it may take until January or February to get it all out, and only after that would they close. But I still bought far too much anyway, mostly LPs, oddly.

Up, for comment. I'll be late with mine, as usual. Except can I say that I don't care for the first few notes of the album - they bode of a certain smoothness that never comes to pass.

Actually, i work at the company that produced that segment, Pellerin Multimedia. And now the DVD is out, so I guess that I can talk about it, although I didn't work on KK '33. I am working on the DVD of the new Kong, but I can't talk about that yet in any detail. But the spider pit sequence recreation was done with models, not CGI. It's all shown how. I think it would have been wrong to reinsert it into the film. Cooper pulled it back then for good reason. Also, there was almost no original material from KK '33 - very little artwork, surviving models, etc. What little is on the DVD is what there is.

I just posted this in another thread under recommendations: http://www.organissimo.org/forum/index.php...53entry441153 But it also seemed appropriate for this thread. No reason to add comments to both, though. [i attached a bunch of comments from blogging.la after the article -- I guess the big question is the future of record stores in general.] http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-ar...ines-california Final Spin for Long-Playing Store Music fans will no longer be able to find their vinyl groove at Aron's, which is closing after 40 years -- a victim of fads and finances. By Daniel Hernandez Times Staff Writer November 19, 2005 For 16 years, John Wyatt has come to Aron's Records on Hollywood's Highland Avenue to get his fix of obscure, cheap vinyl records. On Friday, he made one of his last purchases: $206.23 for what he estimated to be 100 LPs from rock to reggae to hip-hop, all packed into several black plastic bags. Wyatt forked over his cash with a hint of remorse, but not because of the amount. Aron's Records, a music lover's staple since 1965, is closing. "For me and my friends, it's definitely sad when a record store closes. There's just fewer and fewer places that sell vinyl," said Wyatt, a 32-year-old DJ who lives in Mount Washington. "I never switched over to CDs. I like the sound of vinyl. Believe it or not, there's thousands of records you can't get on CD." Aron's owner, Jesse Klempner, announced the closure to his employees Wednesday. Word spread quickly among hard-core music fans that Aron's was going out of business, another victim of the rising costs of maintaining a small music store and the growing popularity of pirated and downloaded music. "It's just been rough for several years," Klempner said Friday, with "STORE CLOSING" and "EVERYTHING MUST GO" signs hanging overhead. "The labels are no longer supporting independent stores. [Listeners] are either downloading or copying from friends?. There's a lot of good music coming out; they're just not buying it, and people are on their iPods and MP3s." Riverside resident Philicia Devereaux, 35, came into the store with a $100 limit. She was barely through the first half of the alphabetical listings in the Rock and Soul CD section, and her arms were already full: Patti LaBelle, Fantasia, Will Downing. "It's so sad," said the special-events promoter. "I come to Aron's for things I can't find anywhere else, for anything I don't think is in my collection." She added wistfully: "It's the Internet. Film is next." Klempner, a folk music fan who confesses a deep affection for the rock band the Kinks, has worked at Aron's since it was on Melrose Avenue near Fairfax High School. He has managed the store for almost 30 years, and he became owner in 1992, he said. "We've had Madonna in here, the Kinks, Prince came in once with his bodyguard, [Quentin] Tarantino is a regular person here," he said, referring to the director of "Pulp Fiction" and the "Kill Bill" movies. The store is decorated with film and classic rock posters. Delicate, vintage vinyl records line the walls. Punk rock stickers and rare collectors' box sets are for sale. The customers include aging rockers with white hair, hip-hoppers in backward caps and Rasta men in dreadlocks. Aron's will officially close "when it's empty," Klempner said. The closure spells uncertainty for Klempner's roughly 30 employees, several of whom said Friday that working at Aron's is more than a job; it's practically a tribe of music lovers. In the same breath, several of them took a swipe at Amoeba Music, the giant record store on Sunset Boulevard that they blame for taking some of their customers. "It's a scene. It's big, chaotic," said Ali Hyman, 18, whose job at Aron's was her first. "Everybody here is awesome." Co-worker Albert Gomez, 28, offered a forceful critique of the competition: "We brought everybody the Ramones, Iggy Pop, the classic rock, the classic blues?. I was taught music here?. How can you forget your roots? Your background?" =========================== Assorted comments from blogging.la Have you been to Fox Hills Mall lately? (dead air...) There's I think a dozen shoe stores, but not a single music store. Remember when there used to be at least three or four in every mall? The only reason Amoeba tends to be packed all the time is their vast quantity and awesome prices on used CDs. Its location by the Arclight is a huge help too. == Aron's is closing because of a crappy location. But it survived for years in that crappy location because people would casually go to a record store and buy music. Amoeba indeed improved on Aron's setup, and may have stolen some customers, but the reality is people infrequently buy hard copies of music nowadays. == Aron's didn't survive for years in that crappy location because people were more inclined to casually go to a record store, they survived because there were no other good independant record stores in the area. None. And as far as I could tell, Aron's never did anything to compete. I don't know anyone who used to shop at Aron's who's returned there since Amoeba opened. No exaggeration. They have, however, been to Amoeba...as well as buying tracks from iTunes and the like. == How about they just admit that their employee's own disdain for customer service drove away the people who were willing to put up with them in exchange for a decent selection, until Amoeba came along? Amoeba's clerks are surprisingly helpful and friendly, which is amazing considering how many more people come through that store than at smaller places where the employees often have far larger attitudes. I worked at another indie record store in Southern California for three years, and we had a meeting on the night before we reopened in a new location. The main idea the owner wanted us to remember, if we forgot everything else he said that night, was that "we are not going to be like Aron's Records" - and everyone there knew exactly what he meant, even though we were 60 miles from Hollywood. I really think that Aron's put themselves out of business. == Man if most of you are the music fans of los angeles than we really have a problem. First, the traffic is just as bad if not worse around amoeba than at aron's. Second, the parking at amoeba underground is impossible to get into on the weekends and so you have to park on the side streets or at the arclight. Third, amoeba prices for used cds are way higher than other places around time. Fourth, arons might have some attitude but music stores should have personality. If a little 'tude bothers you, go shop at walmart. But the real deal here is that the thrill of the hunt for music should trump petty concerns like traffic and parking. If all people care about is convenience and all they want is to listen to compressed music via the ipod then people are really dumb as I have long feared. I own an ipod for travelling convenience but I don't compress the damn music so I can go around like a retard and say hey all my music is on here. Man those people who say that and listen with $20 headphones are not real music fans. == Downloading IS killing the record store industry, and it doesn't matter if its legal or illegal. While Amazon may have damaged some sales from outlets, the immediacy of downloading, plus the ability to choose select songs instead of entire albums, is why record stores will continue to close. And don't think people will still need record stores for vinyl or other types of high quality sound, because as download speeds and audio formats improve, eventually online music quality will EXCEED what has been previously available. == I'm not convinced that downloadable music quality will improve. The average consumer is content w/the crappy compressed quality of low-bit-rate mp3s on cheap headphones. Why do the music companies need to spend more money improving formats, or on greater bandwidth for downloads, when most people don't care? CD/vinyl-quality audio (quality unavailable in downloads) will become a fringe market, and the last vestige of the "record store" as we know it (selling micro- & specialty-label CDs, used CDs, & vinyl -- there won't be any new mass-market CDs anymore). == Checked out the new Virgin at Hollywood+Highland. Surprisingly nice. But no surprise: the highlight and focus isn't the music - it's assorted "cool" merchandise. More Wacko! than Record Town. If this is Virgin's "flagship" store then music obviously isn't their main concern anymore. == Amoeba makes the majority of their profit on used: buy low/sell high. (which I'm sure it's very similar to other like-minded record stores). The more they charge for new releases (which have raise $2-3 over the past 2 years), the more margin they can pull in on used. This is why their used selection is larger than new stock. New stock they are buying at $8-10 on average from their distributor for a $13-16 retail. Used stock they are buying at $3-4 on average from consumers and selling at $8-11 (yes, i saw a $10.95 used CD yesterday, it was a new release). And very often, they even turn a potential return (the purchase of used) into more profit when the consumer exchanges for credit. Amoeba summary: Too expensive, too picked over, late on imports, very little deep stock.

Well, in today's really depressing news, Aron's is closing. I drove by yesterday and saw the banner. Here's an article, below. Considering that I've been going there since high school, when they were across the street (yes I went to Fairfax)... sigh. I also went by Rhino Records the other day. I would say that only 1/4 of their retail space now has records. The rest is pop culture stuff, comics, games, pinball machines, etc. Amoeba and the internet have really done them in. Aron's will take a bit of time to clean out, i think. [i attached a bunch of comments from blogging.la after the article -- I guess the big question is the future of record stores in general.] http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-ar...ines-california Final Spin for Long-Playing Store Music fans will no longer be able to find their vinyl groove at Aron's, which is closing after 40 years -- a victim of fads and finances. By Daniel Hernandez Times Staff Writer November 19, 2005 For 16 years, John Wyatt has come to Aron's Records on Hollywood's Highland Avenue to get his fix of obscure, cheap vinyl records. On Friday, he made one of his last purchases: $206.23 for what he estimated to be 100 LPs from rock to reggae to hip-hop, all packed into several black plastic bags. Wyatt forked over his cash with a hint of remorse, but not because of the amount. Aron's Records, a music lover's staple since 1965, is closing. "For me and my friends, it's definitely sad when a record store closes. There's just fewer and fewer places that sell vinyl," said Wyatt, a 32-year-old DJ who lives in Mount Washington. "I never switched over to CDs. I like the sound of vinyl. Believe it or not, there's thousands of records you can't get on CD." Aron's owner, Jesse Klempner, announced the closure to his employees Wednesday. Word spread quickly among hard-core music fans that Aron's was going out of business, another victim of the rising costs of maintaining a small music store and the growing popularity of pirated and downloaded music. "It's just been rough for several years," Klempner said Friday, with "STORE CLOSING" and "EVERYTHING MUST GO" signs hanging overhead. "The labels are no longer supporting independent stores. [Listeners] are either downloading or copying from friends?. There's a lot of good music coming out; they're just not buying it, and people are on their iPods and MP3s." Riverside resident Philicia Devereaux, 35, came into the store with a $100 limit. She was barely through the first half of the alphabetical listings in the Rock and Soul CD section, and her arms were already full: Patti LaBelle, Fantasia, Will Downing. "It's so sad," said the special-events promoter. "I come to Aron's for things I can't find anywhere else, for anything I don't think is in my collection." She added wistfully: "It's the Internet. Film is next." Klempner, a folk music fan who confesses a deep affection for the rock band the Kinks, has worked at Aron's since it was on Melrose Avenue near Fairfax High School. He has managed the store for almost 30 years, and he became owner in 1992, he said. "We've had Madonna in here, the Kinks, Prince came in once with his bodyguard, [Quentin] Tarantino is a regular person here," he said, referring to the director of "Pulp Fiction" and the "Kill Bill" movies. The store is decorated with film and classic rock posters. Delicate, vintage vinyl records line the walls. Punk rock stickers and rare collectors' box sets are for sale. The customers include aging rockers with white hair, hip-hoppers in backward caps and Rasta men in dreadlocks. Aron's will officially close "when it's empty," Klempner said. The closure spells uncertainty for Klempner's roughly 30 employees, several of whom said Friday that working at Aron's is more than a job; it's practically a tribe of music lovers. In the same breath, several of them took a swipe at Amoeba Music, the giant record store on Sunset Boulevard that they blame for taking some of their customers. "It's a scene. It's big, chaotic," said Ali Hyman, 18, whose job at Aron's was her first. "Everybody here is awesome." Co-worker Albert Gomez, 28, offered a forceful critique of the competition: "We brought everybody the Ramones, Iggy Pop, the classic rock, the classic blues?. I was taught music here?. How can you forget your roots? Your background?" =========================== Assorted comments from blogging.la Have you been to Fox Hills Mall lately? (dead air...) There's I think a dozen shoe stores, but not a single music store. Remember when there used to be at least three or four in every mall? The only reason Amoeba tends to be packed all the time is their vast quantity and awesome prices on used CDs. Its location by the Arclight is a huge help too. == Aron's is closing because of a crappy location. But it survived for years in that crappy location because people would casually go to a record store and buy music. Amoeba indeed improved on Aron's setup, and may have stolen some customers, but the reality is people infrequently buy hard copies of music nowadays. == Aron's didn't survive for years in that crappy location because people were more inclined to casually go to a record store, they survived because there were no other good independant record stores in the area. None. And as far as I could tell, Aron's never did anything to compete. I don't know anyone who used to shop at Aron's who's returned there since Amoeba opened. No exaggeration. They have, however, been to Amoeba...as well as buying tracks from iTunes and the like. == How about they just admit that their employee's own disdain for customer service drove away the people who were willing to put up with them in exchange for a decent selection, until Amoeba came along? Amoeba's clerks are surprisingly helpful and friendly, which is amazing considering how many more people come through that store than at smaller places where the employees often have far larger attitudes. I worked at another indie record store in Southern California for three years, and we had a meeting on the night before we reopened in a new location. The main idea the owner wanted us to remember, if we forgot everything else he said that night, was that "we are not going to be like Aron's Records" - and everyone there knew exactly what he meant, even though we were 60 miles from Hollywood. I really think that Aron's put themselves out of business. == Man if most of you are the music fans of los angeles than we really have a problem. First, the traffic is just as bad if not worse around amoeba than at aron's. Second, the parking at amoeba underground is impossible to get into on the weekends and so you have to park on the side streets or at the arclight. Third, amoeba prices for used cds are way higher than other places around time. Fourth, arons might have some attitude but music stores should have personality. If a little 'tude bothers you, go shop at walmart. But the real deal here is that the thrill of the hunt for music should trump petty concerns like traffic and parking. If all people care about is convenience and all they want is to listen to compressed music via the ipod then people are really dumb as I have long feared. I own an ipod for travelling convenience but I don't compress the damn music so I can go around like a retard and say hey all my music is on here. Man those people who say that and listen with $20 headphones are not real music fans. == Downloading IS killing the record store industry, and it doesn't matter if its legal or illegal. While Amazon may have damaged some sales from outlets, the immediacy of downloading, plus the ability to choose select songs instead of entire albums, is why record stores will continue to close. And don't think people will still need record stores for vinyl or other types of high quality sound, because as download speeds and audio formats improve, eventually online music quality will EXCEED what has been previously available. == I'm not convinced that downloadable music quality will improve. The average consumer is content w/the crappy compressed quality of low-bit-rate mp3s on cheap headphones. Why do the music companies need to spend more money improving formats, or on greater bandwidth for downloads, when most people don't care? CD/vinyl-quality audio (quality unavailable in downloads) will become a fringe market, and the last vestige of the "record store" as we know it (selling micro- & specialty-label CDs, used CDs, & vinyl -- there won't be any new mass-market CDs anymore). == Checked out the new Virgin at Hollywood+Highland. Surprisingly nice. But no surprise: the highlight and focus isn't the music - it's assorted "cool" merchandise. More Wacko! than Record Town. If this is Virgin's "flagship" store then music obviously isn't their main concern anymore. == Amoeba makes the majority of their profit on used: buy low/sell high. (which I'm sure it's very similar to other like-minded record stores). The more they charge for new releases (which have raise $2-3 over the past 2 years), the more margin they can pull in on used. This is why their used selection is larger than new stock. New stock they are buying at $8-10 on average from their distributor for a $13-16 retail. Used stock they are buying at $3-4 on average from consumers and selling at $8-11 (yes, i saw a $10.95 used CD yesterday, it was a new release). And very often, they even turn a potential return (the purchase of used) into more profit when the consumer exchanges for credit. Amoeba summary: Too expensive, too picked over, late on imports, very little deep stock.

I thought it was going to be a thread on the Nitty Gritty Dirt Band.

At the Echo? Wow. I think they are also playing at the Jazz Bakery Dec. 12 for $35, http://www.jazzbakery.org/calendar/

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They got some without numbers. ← A small question. In "limited editions" of 2500 or whatever (such as Mosaic, and this), does that usually mean "2500 plus a few for band members and other special folks?" I owe you an email to order it and the Warne Marsh.

What numbers do the band members have?

I have a cassette copy of Gil Evans Live at Sweet Basil, I believe, in which they play a couple of the Hendrix tunes, but I don't know if there are any additional Hendrix titles from those listed above. Will check the title list later. OK, from All Music: http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=10:cwv8b5m4bsqs Vol. 1 includes Voodoo Child, Up from the Skies Vol. 2 includes Stone Free. Also, Live at the Public Theatre, which I've never seen. According to AMG: "Two Gil Evans LPs originally recorded for the Japanese Trio label and put out in the United States on the now-defunct Black-Hawk company features the veteran arranger leading a 14-piece group at a pair of 1980 concerts." Volume 1 includes Up From the Skies Vol 2 includes Stone Free

I was actually going to pick the Blue Note Sonny Clark Trio, but a de facto thread on it came into being in Reissues: http://www.organissimo.org/forum/index.php...&hl=sonny+clark Like Guy, I'll ask that people please don't post in this thread until the current AOTW is finished -- I just want to give people a heads up so they can pick this up in time for November 20. So then I thought I should respond to my own email from long ago: "Hmmm, no Woody Herman or Dizzy Gillespie or Gil Evans or Rahsaan Roland Kirk yet." But at least we've had Gillespie, and almost one Kirk. So Gil Evans came to mind. At first I thought "Out of the Cool," for another classic album. And then I thought, nah, maybe try Steven Bernstein - Diaspora Blues, with the Same Rivers Trio. But then I decided on The Gil Evans Orchestra Plays the Music of Jimi Hendrix There's a new "Bluebird First Editions" version. I've never successfully attached a photo, so if anyone feels like it, please do. tracks: 1. Angel 2. Crosstown Traffic 3. Medley: Castles Made of Sand/Foxey Lady 4. Up From the Skies 5. 1983 - A Merman I Should Turn To Be 6. Voodoo Chile 7. Gypsy Eyes 8. Little Wing Alternate Takes: 9. Angel 10. Castles Made of Sand 11. Up From the Skies 12. Gypsy Eyes recorded in New York, 1975, except Track 8, recorded in 1975. Gil Evans - leader, arranger, piano The Orchestra includes more than I feel like typing at the moment, but here's a cut and paste job from All Music Guide: His unique 19-piece unit, an orchestra that included two French horns, the tuba of Howard Johnson, three guitars, two basses, two percussionists and such soloists as altoist David Sanborn, trumpeter Marvin "Hannibal" Peterson, Billy Harper on tenor, and guitarists Ryo Kawasaki and John Abercrombie. I hope you all find it worthy of discussion.