Tim McG

Good old fashioned BBQ'd hamburgers with potatos and beans.

I'm inclined to think so.

I dunno. Does size matter?

Um... I've yet to see Dan let a mistake go without acknowledging it. He and I have had our riffs before, and there is nothing that he and I have ever said to each other that wasn't forgivable. I like you, Tim, and always have, but if you're going to insult my friends like this, then I'm gonna call you out: who's being the arrogant unfriendly jerk here? OK. I see how it is. Dan can be as insulting as is humanly possible toward me and I'm the jerk. My bad.

Right. Just like we won't confuse you with the facts about Clinton and your republican get-back for Nixon. Well argued, Dan. It wasn't an argument it was an observation, dumb ass. Consult 70% of the rest of the thread for arguments that you have never come close to refuting in any way, shape or form. I see. Safety in numbers then, eh? Then tell us why Bush is presdent when the numbers of votes went against him. It was an argument against my position, Dan. Observation my rosey red.... Dumb ass. WTF???? Poor, sad, pathetic Goody. I hope you plan to stick around when Bonds is indicted and goes to trial. Then I want to hear you rebut the sworn testimony that puts him in prison. let's see - he didn't use steroids, and anyway, "the media" planted that doping calendar. He didn't cheat on his taxes, and anyway that bitch is just a nasty tramp trying to get back at him. Steroids have no impact on home run hitting, even if home runs skyrocketed during the "steroid era", even if known steroid users like Juan Gonzales and Jose Canseco combined for 900 homers between the two of them. Keep dancing, Goody, keep dancing. You remind me of that episode of Buffy where the demon makes people sing and dance and when they stop, they burst into flames. You're dancing for your life, Goody only soon the music is going to stop and the piper will be paid. Oh well...since you put it that way, you win. I'm wrong. Move on. Let's have a party in your honor.

Right. Just like we won't confuse you with the facts about Clinton and your republican get-back for Nixon. Well argued, Dan. It wasn't an argument it was an observation, dumb ass. Consult 70% of the rest of the thread for arguments that you have never come close to refuting in any way, shape or form. I see. Safety in numbers then, eh? Then tell us why Bush is presdent when the numbers of votes went against him. It was an argument against my position, Dan. Observation my rosey red.... Dumb ass.

Arrogant, unfriendly jerk. Hm. [Reminds me of a certain Dan person I know of] Gee. I guess Bonds isn't the only ballplayer like that. Who knew? Well, so much for the HOF then, huh.

Forget it, Big Al. Dan can't help himself.

Right. Just like we won't confuse you with the facts about Clinton and your republican get-back for Nixon. Well argued, Dan.

Uh-huh. And when he is exonerated, you guys will be running for cover.

I echo the same sentiment. It was a great ride, but we're all going to miss you Bill. Rest in Peace, Coach.

A pound of Sumatra or Ethiopian beans @ $15 bucks a toss is good enough for me, too.

You're right there are, were, and always will be plenty of assholes in sports. And of course Bonds is not the only one using steroids, past or present. That is obvious as hell. He is though, the one about to break Aaron's record, so the spotlight is on him. Where did you get those numbers at? In a poll conducted by MSNBC just a few days ago, the numbers are quite different... MSNBC This ESPN poll matches your numbers more closely, but you left out the fact that 73% of those polled believe Bonds uses Steroids. ESPN I got those numbers from a poll done a couple months a go. These new polls should suggest to you that the media is attempting to do some damage control. I mean, think about it, you have a multi-billion dollar organization which has been bitching about Bonds, with no actual proof, what would you do? Answer: Take another poll which favors your prejudice.. So, should we discount polls about politicians, war, music, and favorite colors? I mean, what you're saying is that the people reporting and taking these polls are twisting the numbers to make the outcome whatever they want. Or polling to the exact select group that will give them the answers they want. Or maybe they're skipping right over the process of even conducting the poll and just publishing numbers the way they see it. I'm convinced. Fuck it, I'm convinced, Barry deserves a break and at this point I don't see why he should even have to hit one more fucking time. JUST GIVE HIM THE TITLE YOU BASTARDS! BARRY!..BARRY!..BARRY!..BARRY!..BARRY!..BARRY!.. Do you follow politics at all? Yeah...this kind of thing never happens, huh. Well, I'm sure Bush will be happy to know that his approval rating is much better than recent polls indicate. Congress should also expect some good news as well. So, basically, things like this happen in the media all the time. Guilty as charged. Step down. Next case.

If steroids had no effect on a player's performance, why would MLB care about banning them then? (That's a rhetorical question, you don't have to answer, though I'm sure you will). Making one big (i.e. increasing muscle mass) DOES have an effect on the distance a ball travels, and that's why hitters were taking them. It gave them the ability to hit balls further, and turn routine fly-ball-outs into home runs. Guys like Bonds who could hit home runs anyway, suddenly were able to hit MORE of them due to steroid usage. Canseco and Giambi's numbers are inflated as well. As are Mark McGuire's. You can deny it all you want, but it's "patently true" to most people who aren't SF Giants homers. As said before in this thread, it's extremely doubtful you'd be sticking up Bonds if his whole career had been spent elsewhere - with the Twins for instance. The MLB outlawed steroids because they are unhealthy and kill the very athlete using them. Some benefit is gained, but not enough to create great hitters out of mediocre ones. In short, steroids do not work...they just make you bigger. The common run-of-the-mill belief is they make you hit HRs. That is total crap. The MLB knows it too because they would have done something about this sooner if they did think steroids cause Hrs. It is total PR to satiate the sporting news media jackals and guys like you who bought it. Look at Bonds yearly output. He hit 40+ HRs EIGHT times in his career and 20+ HRs ELEVEN times in his career. Now you're going to sit there and tell me that all happened because of steroids? You see, this is where your whole argument falls apart and why it is sheer foolishness to even suggest steroids made Bonds a better HR hitter. Better than what? Better than great? Think of what you are supporting here, Aggie. A first year HS student could see through that pretend argument. Buddy, we have already argued the whole business about mass vs distance of the ball hit and it has been doubted and/or out right debunked...and not just by me. I am not going to rehash it for you....go back and read it and on this thread. Blinders on.

My mother-in-law's ex-husband had a saying: You don't skimp on fun. I'd say there's some real wisdom behind that.

I don't know, but it sure as hell wasn't me. [yike!] Now that's funny

I agree. But here again, why does the champion have to be this really nice guy? It's like you're damned if you win and damned if you don't.

Still waiting on a plausible explanation for this question. Still waiting. I have already answered this question: He has already admitted to using "the clear" when it wasn't against MLB rules to do so. What the hell else do you want....flowers? I'd like you to answer WHY he chose to use them, if they have no effect. edit - as usual, you answered a question that wasn't asked. OK...do you follow sports, I mean, at all? Athletes will look for anything they think will give them the edge over the next guy. Back in the 90s guys fooled themselves into believing steroids somehow enhanced their game. This is patently false and has been proven time and again through those who [like Giambi and Canseco to name a couple] took them, that all they do is make you big....they don't make you good. Are you asking me to get inside Bonds mind and tell you what he was thinking at the time, or what? I fail to understand your problem here.

In the 2 month old poll I quoted in Post 13 of this thread, only 37% wanted Bonds to break the record. So your argument that these are "new polls" that are doing damage control is also incorrect. That would still indicate that "everybody" isn't against him. Hey, don't bother to reason it out. Overreact. It's easier than thinking.

You're right there are, were, and always will be plenty of assholes in sports. And of course Bonds is not the only one using steroids, past or present. That is obvious as hell. He is though, the one about to break Aaron's record, so the spotlight is on him. Where did you get those numbers at? In a poll conducted by MSNBC just a few days ago, the numbers are quite different... MSNBC This ESPN poll matches your numbers more closely, but you left out the fact that 73% of those polled believe Bonds uses Steroids. ESPN I got those numbers from a poll done a couple months a go. These new polls should suggest to you that the media is attempting to do some damage control. I mean, think about it, you have a multi-billion dollar organization which has been bitching about Bonds, with no actual proof, what would you do? Answer: Take another poll which favors your prejudice.. So, should we discount polls about politicians, war, music, and favorite colors? I mean, what you're saying is that the people reporting and taking these polls are twisting the numbers to make the outcome whatever they want. Or polling to the exact select group that will give them the answers they want. Or maybe they're skipping right over the process of even conducting the poll and just publishing numbers the way they see it. I'm convinced. Fuck it, I'm convinced, Barry deserves a break and at this point I don't see why he should even have to hit one more fucking time. JUST GIVE HIM THE TITLE YOU BASTARDS! BARRY!..BARRY!..BARRY!..BARRY!..BARRY!..BARRY!.. Do you follow politics at all? Yeah...this kind of thing never happens, huh.

Still waiting on a plausible explanation for this question. Still waiting. I have already answered this question: He has already admitted to using "the clear" when it wasn't against MLB rules to do so. What the hell else do you want....flowers?

But....but....you yourself have said that steroids dont help baseball players play better. You've been arguing that point throughout this whole thread, seemingly. Your point? What I said was if they are to asterisk Bonds, then they need to asterisk Gagne, too. Pretty straight forward don't you think? Nah. Why think?

You're right there are, were, and always will be plenty of assholes in sports. And of course Bonds is not the only one using steroids, past or present. That is obvious as hell. He is though, the one about to break Aaron's record, so the spotlight is on him. Where did you get those numbers at? In a poll conducted by MSNBC just a few days ago, the numbers are quite different... MSNBC This ESPN poll matches your numbers more closely, but you left out the fact that 73% of those polled believe Bonds uses Steroids. ESPN I got those numbers from a poll done a couple months a go. These new polls should suggest to you that the media is attempting to do some damage control. I mean, think about it, you have a multi-billion dollar organization which has been bitching about Bonds, with no actual proof, what would you do? Answer: Take another poll which favors your prejudice.. "the media" is a single, multi-billion dollar organization, apparently engaged in an unprecedented attempt to destroy a decent, honorable man ... do you ever listen to yourself? Oh? You mean like they did to President Clinton? Go back to sleep, Dan...you're dreaming.

Do you fish? This post sure looks like bucket of fish bait to me. Hey! Ken "Bait Bucket" Dryden...your new nickname

Right after the bigoted French do.