mrjazzman

MORE CONTRADICTIONS..............allen, all im saying is that if you don't like his playing, sound, phrasing, behing the beat playing, or whatever, that's cool, we're all entitled to like or dislike, this is America. and do you live your life on probablys "probably related to his drug use" did you ever see him shoot up, you really don't know for sure wether he was impaired or not do you? when it comes to dex you have a choice of seeling the glass half full or half empty and you're making the negative choice. im not trying to prove you wrong or me right, it's just that imo, your comments are extremely disrespectfull............

Are you telling me those producers would have continued to record this dull boring guy if the record sales didn't warrant it??????????????????

ALLEN IM TALKING ABOUT THE INTERVIEW. I think i know why you pick and choose which of my comments you respond to and the ones you don't respond to............

I love Gene Ammons too, so I guess mariuana is ok with you, he did a stint in the joint for that, Lester Young was a notorious drunk, so I guess abuse of alcohol is ok with you, Paul Quinnichette who sounded like a prez clone, and how many sessions did Nick Nicholas lead, and since wardell and dex played together it wouldn't be a stretch to say that he probably was shootin up with dex

is it just my typing technique or what im typing. I'm not aware of any other musical reference site on the net besides All Music Guide, if there is someone tell me what it is. I just counted approx. 80 titles under main albums and a slew of them under compilations. the majority of them have 4, 41/2 or 5 stars. i don't think Francis Wolf Alfred Lion(Blue Note), Don Schlitten Alan Bates Ozzie Cadena(Prestige), and Nils Winther(SteepleChase)would have kept recording this dull boring guy if the lp's/cd's were not selling. would you agree with that allenlowe...........

it's comments like these that i REALLY take offense to. i consider them to be belitteling and demeaning.......................and you still have not told us who for you is the opposite of dex, can you name some sax players who you feel are not boring and lethargic in their playing/personality

this is what i object to or maybe i should say disagree with because i believe it is flat out wrong, it's not self-compensation, his behind the beat playing is just a matter of style, imo your statements are full of frustrating contradictions, how can you be "dull and uninspired" and at the same time "gets a nice sound out of the horn" and there are other contradictions...............

Excuse me, maybe Pepper's heroin was whiter than Dex's........... This is what I must have "misinterpreted". that comment was not meant to have racial overtones............ My apologies, then for thinking that you had resorted so such a cheap debate trick as attacking the character of the person with whom you are debating rather than debating the issue. For my education, can you please clarify what this comment was intending to imply? I don't know very much about herion, maybe it was a technical comment on the type they used? jazzbo answered that for me..................

I have no proof, but i believe dex started using and playing at about the same time, so your comment makes sense to me........................

Excuse me, maybe Pepper's heroin was whiter than Dex's........... This is what I must have "misinterpreted". that comment was not meant to have racial overtones............

any and all leads will be greatly appreciated.............

I remember first seeing Lou Rawls on the Mike Douglas tv show. One of his first big hits and my favorite was Tobacco Road............

Dude, coffee is more addictive than herion? Do you have some research to back that up? It's been difficult for me to not respond with some silliness. There is ample bait. I'll restate my position at this point that Allen and I feel entirely differently about the quality of Dexter Gordon's playing, but I'm not feeling in any way offended or threatened by our difference of opinion and I've been happy to read the palate of interpretations. Went back and listened through my Dex collection to see if maybe it cheapened it for me...it didn't, they still make my desert island overnight bag. Headed back to the kitchen for a cup of joe or some sweet relief from the needle...I'll decide when I get there if I don't stop on the way for some cigarettes. first of all, im too old to be called "dude". second, you agree with me, "Allen and I feel entirely differently about the quality of Dexter Gordon's playing", third, the medical consensus says that nicotine is more addictive than heroin(jsngry says not caffine, I'll go with that), fourth, yes i was slightly offended by his comments re: his interview with Dex(read them for yourself), not the FACT that heroin influenced his playing, because as i've previously stated, everybody knew he used smack but most of us fans didn't care, didn't he know he was interviewing a heroin addict? what kind of responses did he expect from someone who used heroin most of his adult life. and for the life of me, i can't figure out where you got this racist stuff from,only an ignorant or unintelligent person would imply that someone is racist based on a few comments about a jazz musician and Im neither ignorant or unintelligent. have a happy new year............

And earlier Allan made the assertation that he felt drugs affected Dex's playing and you, rather than refuting that, asked him to prove it. So it seems that pattern is that one must provide proof for their opinions on music, if they are opposing, but can fling medical claims around willie-nillie and the burdon of proof is on others to dispute. Fortunately, we had someone else share their personal experience that I think clearly put that one to bed. Besides I don't think the point as it related to music (we were talking about music, remember) was the power of the addiction, but the destructiveness. I don't think anyone (maybe I'm wrong) would suggest that caffine was a more destructive drug than heroin. I'm still amazed with the restraint he showed when you implied that he was a racist because he didn't like the same music as you. I would have gone ape-shit over that, but maybe you two have a history. allenlowe and I don't have a history and he didn't go "ape-shit" because there was no implication of racisim. before I accuse you of misinterpreting what you read, i suggest you re-read my posts on this subject...............

The first two cd's i purchased in what is now a 1625 cd/lp collection was A Night At Birdland Vol.'s 1 & 2 by the Art Blakey Quintet(not jet the messengers) Blakey, Curly Russell, Horace Silver, Lou Donaldson, and Brownie. Wow what a band.............

Dude, coffee is more addictive than herion? Do you have some research to back that up? It's been difficult for me to not respond with some silliness. There is ample bait. I'll restate my position at this point that Allen and I feel entirely differently about the quality of Dexter Gordon's playing, but I'm not feeling in any way offended or threatened by our difference of opinion and I've been happy to read the palate of interpretations. Went back and listened through my Dex collection to see if maybe it cheapened it for me...it didn't, they still make my desert island overnight bag. Headed back to the kitchen for a cup of joe or some sweet relief from the needle...I'll decide when I get there if I don't stop on the way for some cigarettes. i've made an assertion, that caffine and nicotine(especially when combined)is more addicting than heroin, up to you to refute that assertion...........

more frivolity from allenlowe, I'm very serious about my jazz, especially when it involves a MASTER like dex, and thanks for the "if you say so" because i'm definitly saying so.........................and leave the cofee and cigarettes alone, caffine and nicotine are more addictive than heroin, im not surprised that you responded to my comments with sillyness.................................

come on allen it's not that bad. it's just that we all know dex was a heroin addict, a junkie. i'd make a small wager that he was loaded every time he blew into the mouth piece. no heroin and alcohol=no parker, no stitt, no dex, no ammons, no milt jackson, no pepper, no prez, they'd be working at the post office or be in the service, so for you to take so much time to place so much emphasis on dex's impaird playing is MOOT. another poster asked a question you haven't answered, "have you heard him play clean and sober" probably not as he probably never did so you have no reference point. what you hear as a blurred, slurred performance, we dex devotees hear style and swagger, greasy and gritty blues. and of course the icing on the cake was dex's infectious personality. what do you want the blues to sound like. you didn't like his responses in your interview, you belittle and demean him. he was like that because he scoped out your bias and your intention to acquire a basis for future scorn and ridicule befor you even got started. he wasn't an airline pilot, heart surgeon, bus driver, heavy equipment operator, he was an artist, one of the greatest jazz sax sophonist of all time and i will continue to be a staunch defender and devotee of LTD......... there are questions, "have you heard him play clean and sober", you just can't or don't want to answer them.......

there is no question only an admonishment for dissing dex.........

thanks to the both of you.........

Has anyone heard the new cd recorded i believe in Dolphy's garage with Brownie. Is it worth buying. I've read that Dolphy was in a Parkerish mood early on......................

come on allen it's not that bad. it's just that we all know dex was a heroin addict, a junkie. i'd make a small wager that he was loaded every time he blew into the mouth piece. no heroin and alcohol=no parker, no stitt, no dex, no ammons, no milt jackson, no pepper, no prez, they'd be working at the post office or be in the service, so for you to take so much time to place so much emphasis on dex's impaird playing is MOOT. another poster asked a question you haven't answered, "have you heard him play clean and sober" probably not as he probably never did so you have no reference point. what you hear as a blurred, slurred performance, we dex devotees hear style and swagger, greasy and gritty blues. and of course the icing on the cake was dex's infectious personality. what do you want the blues to sound like. you didn't like his responses in your interview, you belittle and demean him. he was like that because he scoped out your bias and your intention to acquire a basis for future scorn and ridicule befor you even got started. he wasn't an airline pilot, heart surgeon, bus driver, heavy equipment operator, he was an artist, one of the greatest jazz sax sophonist of all time and i will continue to be a staunch defender and devotee of LTD.........

Andy Fusco and Gene Ludwig to name a couple..................

Has anyone heard the Dolphy-Brownie session that just came out? Is it worth acquiring. I've read that Dolphy was in a Parkerish mood early on................

And this makes you what - an authority? :bwallace2: No, it makes me the son of a trumpet player who played with Dave Burns in Dizzy Gillespie's band of the late 40's...............