Soulstation1 Posted June 7, 2003 Report Share Posted June 7, 2003 i thought that reason those kids picked that day, april 20 was because it was hitler's birthday. i just did a google search and it is correct. i can't believe moore didn't know or mention this fact. i knew it before i saw the movie. i think by moore looking for "why" it happened, he overlooked it was just "planned" to happen, kind of like 9-11. i liked the movie other than this one issue. this is a must have when it comes out on dvd. ss1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soulstation1 Posted August 20, 2003 Author Report Share Posted August 20, 2003 the dvd came out yesterday. anyone pick it up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooster_Ties Posted August 20, 2003 Report Share Posted August 20, 2003 I haven't (nor do I own a DVD player, at least not yet). I've heard on-line that there are some interesting and/or cool "bonus" features/material on the DVD. Anyone care to share what that might be??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soulstation1 Posted August 20, 2003 Author Report Share Posted August 20, 2003 i bought the set yesterday over 4 hours of bonus stuff check out this link http://bowlingforcolumbine.com/about/dvd.php Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soulstation1 Posted August 22, 2003 Author Report Share Posted August 22, 2003 anyone have a chance to watch the dvd? ss1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmjk Posted August 22, 2003 Report Share Posted August 22, 2003 Thanks for the tip, Jeff. I'm not a big fan of Moore myself, but I appreciate his talent, and I'll certainly check this out. At least it's more important than the 2 DVD Benny Hill anthology I bought last week. Should we start a Benny Hill thread? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dmitry Posted August 22, 2003 Report Share Posted August 22, 2003 At least it's more important than the 2 DVD Benny Hill anthology I bought last week. Should we start a Benny Hill thread? Can I borrow it when you're done? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzmoose Posted August 22, 2003 Report Share Posted August 22, 2003 At least it's more important than the 2 DVD Benny Hill anthology I bought last week. Well, yes, but if it was the complete Benny Hill... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmjk Posted August 23, 2003 Report Share Posted August 23, 2003 At least it's more important than the 2 DVD Benny Hill anthology I bought last week. Should we start a Benny Hill thread? Can I borrow it when you're done? D - It's all yours, buddy. And Moose--a complete Benny Hill DVD set would be a beautiful thing, indeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mule Posted September 4, 2003 Report Share Posted September 4, 2003 (edited) Still lying...now on dvd! From Spinsanity.org Moore alters "Bowling" DVD in response to criticism (9/2) By Brendan Nyhan In the newly-released DVD version of his Academy Award-winning documentary "Bowling for Columbine," filmmaker Michael Moore has altered a caption that he fictitiously inserted into a 1988 Bush-Quayle campaign commercial -- one of a number of misstatements and deceptive arguments we criticized when the film was released last year. Ironically, on the same day the DVD was released, Moore issued a libel threat against his critics on MSNBC's "Buchanan & Press," saying, "Every fact in the film is true. Absolutely every fact in the film is true. And anybody who says otherwise is committing an act of libel." While we were among the first to call Moore on the inaccuracies in his film, most notably the alteration of the Bush-Quayle ad and his misleading presentation of US aid to Afghanistan in a timeline sequence, we were far from the only ones. Dan Lyons of Forbes Magazine also revealed several important lies or distortions, including the fact that the scene during which Moore receives a gun at a bank was staged. And David Hardy, an Arizona lawyer specializing in gun issues who has worked for the National Rifle Association, has compiled a voluminous list of allegations, including Moore's heavy and misleading editing of NRA President Charlton Heston's speech in Denver after the Columbine massacre. Moore has generally refused to concede error in response to critics, in one case writing an angry email to Chicago Sun-Times film critic Roger Ebert denouncing several charges as "Internet crap" and "not true." In subsequent correspondence for Ebert's online column, Moore wrote, "if I state something as a fact, I need the viewers to trust that those facts are correct." While promoting the DVD release, he was asked about the charges by guest co-host Jerry Nachman during a August 19 appearance on "Buchanan & Press." Moore then attacked Hardy while accusing critics of libel: NACHMAN: Michael, I want to start with what your critics chiefly say. And that is, while you criticize President Bush for being a fictitious president, as you called him, winning in a fictitious election, a lot of your critics say that your documentary should have been more like an Oliver Stone movie because of the liberties you took with chronology and facts in both "Roger and Me" and "Bowling for Columbine." You've heard that criticism, I'm sure. MOORE: Well, yes. No, the NRA and some gun nut Web sites have really come after... NACHMAN: Well, it's not... MOORE: ... the film. NACHMAN: ... it's not just gun nuts. I mean it's people who have tried to lay out a chronology of what you said happened... MOORE: Like who? NACHMAN: ... when it happened... MOORE: Like who has done this... NACHMAN: Well... MOORE: ... that is not a conservative right-winger that has a vested interest in wanting to attack me instead of debating me on the issues I'm raising? NACHMAN: This guy... MOORE: Every fact in the film is true. Absolutely every fact in the film is true. And anybody who says otherwise is committing an act of libel. However, the release of Moore's DVD proves otherwise. As we first documented, when "Bowling for Columbine" was released in theaters, it featured a 1988 Bush-Quayle ad called "Revolving Doors" (Real Player video), which criticized a prison furlough program in operation when Michael Dukakis was governor of Massachusetts. Though Horton was furloughed under the program in question, the ad did not explicitly mention him, unlike the more famous ad aired by the National Security Political Action Committee, which had close ties to Bush media advisor Roger Ailes. But because this part of "Bowling" attempted to show how portrayals of black men are used to promote fear in the public, Moore apparently inserted the caption "Willie Horton released. Then kills again." into the ad, using a text style nearly identical to the ad's original captions. A casual viewer would assume that the text was part of the original ad. The fictitious caption more directly connecting Bush to Horton is used to back up Moore's statement, which runs over the sequence, that "whether you're a psychotic killer or running for president of the United States, the one thing you can always count on is white America's fear of the black man." However, according to the archived video of the ad linked above, media reports and interviews with a high-level Dukakis official and political experts, the caption did not appear in the original ad. Moreover, it was incorrect -- Horton raped a woman while on furlough, but he did not commit murder. In a tacit acknowledgment that the caption was both phony and factually incorrect, Moore has altered the text in the DVD version. The caption now reads "Willie Horton released. Then rapes a woman." Clearly, every fact in the film was not true, and critics who pointed the alteration of the Horton ad (among other things) were not committing libel. Moreover, Moore's correction doesn't make the insertion of text that wasn't in the original ad any more excusable. And he has conspicuously failed to correct the rest of the film's distortions and inaccuracies. While it is too late for the Oscar voters he deceived, Moore still owes it to the public to set the record straight. Addendum: The DVD also contains further proof of Moore's tendency to stretch and distort the facts. Hardy has criticized Moore for claiming that the plaque at the US Air Force Academy near a B-52 on display "proudly proclaims that the plane killed Vietnamese people on Christmas Eve of 1972. It was the largest bombing campaign of the Vietnam War." This phrasing insinuates that the plaque praises the bombing of civilians. It actually says the B-52 "shot down a MIG northeast of Hanoi" on that date. The plaque does celebrate "the men and women of the Strategic Air Command who flew and maintained the B-52D throughout its 26 year history in the command," including "Aircraft 55,003, with over 15,000 flying hours," which presumably included bombing runs over Vietnam such as the one on Christmas Eve, but it does not "proudly" proclaim that it was used to kill Vietnamese civilians. According to Ebert, Moore's response to this criticism was as follows: "I was making a point about the carpet bombing of Vietnam during the 1972 Christmas offensive. I did not say exactly what the plaque said but was paraphrasing." The DVD captures Moore exaggerating this still further, saying during a speech at the University of Denver on February 26, 2003 that the B-52 participated in the massive Christmas Eve bombing campaign. "And they've got a plaque on there proudly proclaiming that this bomber, this B-52, killed thousands upon thousands of Vietnamese -- innocent civilians." In both cases, his representation of the plaque is extremely dishonest. Update 9/2 5:12 PM EST: A number of readers have written in to point out that Moore's statement is a tautology -- that is, it is correct by definition to say "Every fact in the film is true." However, in context, he implies that all of his factual claims are true -- asserting they are facts -- and attacks critics of those claims with a charge of libel. As such, we stand by the post as written. Edited September 4, 2003 by The Mule Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzmoose Posted September 4, 2003 Report Share Posted September 4, 2003 Hmmm...the Benny Hill disc is sounding better and better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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