Guest Mnytime Posted June 23, 2003 Report Share Posted June 23, 2003 Outside of the basics of football every football player needs to learn how to protect themself in a pile. Let your imaginations roam and you still only come up with the tip of the iceberg that goes on in one of those. I still remember my first time under one of those. You've got that right! Before I played, I didn't know it was even possible for someone to bite you with a helmet on. Must have been one of those glamor boys with the wussy helmets... I would have been happy with a simple bite. I came out of my first pile with a broken nose, black eye and walked funny for a week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mnytime Posted June 23, 2003 Report Share Posted June 23, 2003 When my mother saw me afterwards she thought I had been mugged or in some accident. Took a lot of quick talking to be allowed to continue after that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
connoisseur series500 Posted June 23, 2003 Report Share Posted June 23, 2003 Football is rough; no question about it. Still, much of it involves brains and athleticism. It's not like you've got two guys standing in front of each other trying to knock the other out. I guess that's the main difference. Also where's the protection for the fighters beyond the cup? As someone already mentioned gloves were designed to protect the knuckles not the opponent's face. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mnytime Posted June 23, 2003 Report Share Posted June 23, 2003 (edited) Football is rough; no question about it. Still, much of it involves brains and athleticism. It's not like you've got two guys standing in front of each other trying to knock the other out. I guess that's the main difference. Also where's the protection for the fighters beyond the cup? As someone already mentioned gloves were designed to protect the knuckles not the opponent's face. It's worse you have guys using the full force of their body and the additon of the force generated by their running when they hit you. And if your moving as well that adds even more force to the collision. Football is not a contact sport. That's basketball. Football is a collision sport. And in football if your lucky you know when and where the hit is happening 50% of the time. The other 50% it is blind hits that can include mutliple people. Edited June 23, 2003 by Mnytime Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dmitry Posted June 23, 2003 Report Share Posted June 23, 2003 Anyone into table tennis? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mnytime Posted June 23, 2003 Report Share Posted June 23, 2003 Anyone into table tennis? Though I haven't played in a few years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mnytime Posted June 23, 2003 Report Share Posted June 23, 2003 (edited) to be fair this is why the fight was stopped- "I did not stop the fight because of the blood in his eye," said Dr Wallace. "It was because he was having to turn his head to see past the flap of skin hanging from the damaged lid which was obscuring his vision. His corner had done a remarkable job stopping the bleeding but if he couldn't see a person in front of him he certainly couldn't see a punch." Everyone on here has a valid opinion (well maybe not the dr being bribed one)but i just dont think its such an outrageous decision - it was hardly a slight nick. The press i have read today seem very critcal of Lewis's perfomance but not the stoppage . It looks like there is to be a rematch & I'm sure both fighters well be both alot more motivated (for different reasons) for it & it should make for a much better fight. Sorry didn't see this post. First Medically speaking it should not have been stopped. Next as I said several times the only reason he had to turn his head to see this Dr was the Dr was standing outside the ring. It had nothing to do with anything blocking Klitschko's vision. Next his corner did one of the worst jobs I have seen in a Championship fight in a long time. The only worse job I can remember is the Corner people for Tyson during Tyson vs Douglas. They used a blown up rubber with some water and ice instead of Enswell. Even than they never got any of the part rubber balloon that had the ice in it on the swelling eye. If they show this fight again watch in between rounds after the cut first happens. The Cut guy opened the cut an additional half inch by rubbing the towel against the cut. And the way he was manhandling it with the Q-tip and towel for the rest of the fight didn't help. All this guy did by shoving the 2 Q-tip the way he did into the cut was make the cut worse. A cut like this you put pressure on it using something bigger than the cut itself. You don't put Q-tips into it and open or deepen it even more. Edited June 23, 2003 by Mnytime Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dmitry Posted June 24, 2003 Report Share Posted June 24, 2003 Yeah, that was kinda unprofessional. Perhaps the cut man was on the take. That eye-lid looked like a nicely stuffed Pita Soujouk. He really butchered it. And I've seen some maxillo-facial surgeries. Lennox Lewis was pathetic out there at times. You guys are missing the big picture. Lewis was scheduled to fight a little-known and not very talented Canadian Kirk Johnson last Saturday, but Johnson withdrew due to an injury, so 2 weeks before the match was set to go they arranged this fight with Klitschko[a f-up German spelling of a simple Ukrainian Klychko]. In turn, Klitschko was training for his own fight and was in a much better physocal condition than Lewis. So all of a sudden Lewis had a guy much taller than Johnson, and stronger. Lewis would've killed Kirk Johnson in the 2nd Round even in his unconditioned state, but not a fit Klitschko. Truth be told, Lewis and Klitschko were supposed to fight this November, but with an opportunity before him Lewis took it...and won. One of the great flukes of modern boxing. There WILL be a rematch, and hopefully Lewis will wise-up and get a really tall sparring partner this time. As far as stopping the fight, I think it was a good idea. If the cut-man was there for one more round, who knows what more damage he would've inflicted. Plus an occasional swinging right hand from Lewis opened it wider and wider. Hope the Ukrainian has a really good plastic surgeon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
connoisseur series500 Posted June 24, 2003 Report Share Posted June 24, 2003 If they show this fight again watch in between rounds after the cut first happens. The Cut guy opened the cut an additional half inch by rubbing the towel against the cut. And the way he was manhandling it with the Q-tip and towel for the rest of the fight didn't help. !!! And these guys are supposed to help the fighter out. It's kind of funny, but of course it isn't. Poor Klitschko. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mnytime Posted June 24, 2003 Report Share Posted June 24, 2003 (edited) There WILL be a rematch, and hopefully Lewis will wise-up and get a really tall sparring partner this time. I don't know about this. It's going to take at the least a year for that cut to heal before Klitschko can take a chance of anyone beating on it. Because you know from now on everyone he fights will be going after that area. And Lewis is going to turn 38 this Sept. The earliest I can see that cut healing is 9-10 months if Klitschko is a very quick healer. Otherwise it is a good year before he can even start sparring again. If Lewis is going to fight a Klitschko again it will be the younger brother. I see Lewis taking the fight against Roy Jones and than retiring. Edited June 24, 2003 by Mnytime Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J Larsen Posted June 24, 2003 Report Share Posted June 24, 2003 There WILL be a rematch, and hopefully Lewis will wise-up and get a really tall sparring partner this time. I don't know about this. It's going to take at the least a year for that cut to heal before Klitschko can take a chance of anyone beating on it. And Lewis is going to turn 38 this Sept. The earliest I can see that cut healing is 9-10 months if Klitschko is a very quick healer. Otherwise it is a good year before he can even start sparring again. I'm sure that played in to his displeasure at having the fight stopped. A year is a long time to have to think about that "loss". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mnytime Posted June 24, 2003 Report Share Posted June 24, 2003 Oh and about Lewis needing to get a taller sparring partner. It's not like Lewis is a midget. I think he is what a inch smaller than Klitschko? Just like Foreman going on and on about how tall Klitschko was and how much Lewis weighed. Lewis was what 9lbs heavier than Klitschko? One of these days Foreman will say something that actually matches the fight in front of him. You have to figure it will happen at least once. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mnytime Posted June 24, 2003 Report Share Posted June 24, 2003 Hope the Ukrainian has a really good plastic surgeon. It's my understanding they stitched him up in his locker room after the fight. I would have though for a cut like that they would have taken him to a hospital and had a top Surgeon working on it. I would be interested to know if the Dr that stopped the fight was the one who stitched him up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dmitry Posted June 24, 2003 Report Share Posted June 24, 2003 Oh and about Lewis needing to get a taller sparring partner. It's not like Lewis is a midget. I think he is what a inch smaller than Klitschko? Just like Foreman going on and on about how tall Klitschko was and how much Lewis weighed. Lewis was what 9lbs heavier than Klitschko? Let me repeat it once more, Herr DOKTOR. Lennox Lewis was unprepared for the fight. He has to get a tall sparring partner to make higher punches. I guess it's time for me to butt out of the "boxing expert corner" before the shit hits the fans. See you on the amateur side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mnytime Posted June 24, 2003 Report Share Posted June 24, 2003 (edited) Let me repeat it once more, Herr DOKTOR. And tell me what exactly did I say to you that was deserving of this type of smart ass reply? Did I make some smart ass response about your profession that I have somehow forgotten about? Never mind the fact I don't even know what it is. Edited June 24, 2003 by Mnytime Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dmitry Posted June 24, 2003 Report Share Posted June 24, 2003 Smart ass? In what way? I agreed with your assessment of the treatment of the lacerated injury, Doc. Or we're on a tangential trajectory already? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dmitry Posted June 24, 2003 Report Share Posted June 24, 2003 Did I make some smart ass response about your profession that I have somehow forgotten about? Never mind the fact I don't even know what it is. Ok, gloves off. My real name is Spiros Papandopoulos and I run a mean hot dog stand on Wall Street. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mnytime Posted June 24, 2003 Report Share Posted June 24, 2003 (edited) Did I make some smart ass response about your profession that I have somehow forgotten about? Never mind the fact I don't even know what it is. Ok, gloves off. My real name is Spiros Papandopoulos and I run a mean hot dog stand on Wall Street. If they are beef Hot Dogs, I'll have one with everything on it. Edited June 24, 2003 by Mnytime Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dmitry Posted June 24, 2003 Report Share Posted June 24, 2003 Best Kosher hot dogs below Canal Street! Lennox Lewis is one of our biggest customers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mnytime Posted June 24, 2003 Report Share Posted June 24, 2003 Best Kosher hot dogs below Canal Street! Lennox Lewis is one of our biggest customers. Well that is obvious from the look of Lewis in this fight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cali Posted June 24, 2003 Report Share Posted June 24, 2003 Maybe I should be embarrassed to admit it, but I am a longtime boxing fan. I have a sizeable boxing video library that includes fights of all the all-time greats, from John L. Sullivan up to the fighters of today and I have several books on boxing as well as a valuable collection of Ring magazines. Having said that, I think the cut Klitschko suffered was one of the worst I have ever seen. It reminded me of the cut Ali inflicted on Jerry Quarry in his comeback fight that forced the stoppage of that fight in the third round. Klitschko eyelid could have become detached with a few more well placed blows. That was a huge, gaping cut. I've seen fights stopped from cuts a lot less severe than that one. Boxing has enough of a reputation as being barbaric. What do people want to see, someones eye laying on the canvas? I acknowledge that Klitschko's cut man was awful. Also, I saw an over-the-hill, out of shape Lewis. But I saw something else, too. In the last two rounds Lewis started connecting vicious uppercuts that were snapping Vitaly's head back. Uppercuts really bust up a fighters face. If you look at Klitschko's interview after the fight, you will see that he had three cuts around his left eye and a cut to his mouth. These subsequent cuts were caused by those uppercuts. IMO Klitschko was going to be knocked out within the next two rounds. As tired as Lewis appeared, he had figured Klitschko out at the end of that fight. As far as the doctor being incompetent because L.A. isn't experienced in big fights. That's just wrong. L.A. is not the boondocks. I've gone to big matches here for years, including the Roy Jones bout, a couple of years ago, and the Shane Mosley/Oscar De La Hoya match. I'd venture to say that L.A. puts on more than three times the amount of fights as Vegas per year, even if they are not the mega-fights that only the casinos can afford to put on. All of the boxers deserve and receive just as much expertise in L.A. as in anywhere else in world. Los Angeles has one of the strongest and most respected boxing commissions in all of boxing. Ask anybody in the fight business. I'd like to clear up one last bit of misinformation. A referee or doctor can stop a fight not only when a fighter is unable to defend himself (which, BTW, is a decision a referee makes in the heat of battle), but also if there is the "risk of serious injury". A cut doesn't necessarily render a boxer defenseless, but it can lead to a more serious injury, such as a detached retina, or other permanent eye damage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
connoisseur series500 Posted June 24, 2003 Report Share Posted June 24, 2003 Interesting post, Cali. You know its funny, but a good fighter is always most vulnerable against last minute substitutes. I didn't see the fight, nor do I plan to, but based on pedigree and experience, I would imagine that even an out of shape Lennox would figure out Klitschko and would have found a way to win anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dmitry Posted June 24, 2003 Report Share Posted June 24, 2003 No doubt about it, Chuck, it was a very deep, long laceration, perhaps 1n inch and change. Right over the supraorbital margin. I wouldn't be surprised if there was bony damage as well. He also had a second, smaller cut in the same area and a beginning of a jagged 1" gash in his cheek. But Klit shook him up pretty bad in the match. Proof is in the points. Some very heavy punches there. I think Lewis was relieved it went that way. After a month of training Lewis could put him down in two or three, imo. Just not the same quality boxers, judging from what I've seen from both. What a waste-land the heavy-weight division is these days. Of course it's just a lay-man's p.o.v. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mnytime Posted June 24, 2003 Report Share Posted June 24, 2003 (edited) First Klitschko's eyelid was nowhere close to being detached from what I saw of it. It was a deep and long cut but it didn't look like it was close to detaching. Next only a dreamer thinks Lewis was going to knock anything out in that fight. Uppercuts do most of their damage to the area under the jaw not the face. Lewis was not figuring out anything but where the stool was. In the meantime he was missing most of his punches. I have already commented on the Dr's b.s. reason about Klitschko having to turn his head to see him. If you watch again you will hear him talking to Klitschko from outside the ring. He never once actually bothered to get in the ring to actually look at Klitschko. The only time he got in the rink was to go tell the Ref to stop the fight. The cut was not caused by any uppercut. It was a either a headbutt or a right that caused the cut. Putting on fights in the smaller divisions is not putting on a Heavyweight Champsionship. Both of the Aaron Pryor and Alexis Arguello (sp) fights where a lot more brutal than this ever was. I was at the Ali and Quarry fight and this was nowhere close to that. This fight should not have been stopped! Alexis Arguello Edited June 24, 2003 by Mnytime Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mnytime Posted June 24, 2003 Report Share Posted June 24, 2003 (edited) Dmitry if their was that type of damage they would have taken him to the hospital and not just done a stitch up. I believe the fact that they where able to do a basic stitch up on it in his locker room shows it just looked uglier than it really was. Quarry was in the hosptial after the fight for at least a week if not longer. Edited June 24, 2003 by Mnytime Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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