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Chucho is a marvel in concert. I've seen him 3 times and he was always amazing, with amazing bands.

It's interesting to read the reactions to Page One as uninspired. As a person who bought these records in real-time, when they came out, for me, PO was a fresh new sound from an exciting new artist, with great tunes and a stellar band. Over the years Our Thing has become my favorite, if only for the haunting and beautiful Escapade. So my 3 favorite Blue Notes by Joe are PO (for sentimental reasons), OT and a tie between Inner Urge and Mode For Joe.

Never really focused on the cover art before. Now all I can see is that Bird appears to be wearing black gloves and has a huge penis! <script src="safari-extension://com.ebay.safari.myebaymanager-QYHMMGCMJR/61123618/background/helpers/prefilterHelper.js" type="text/javascript"> </script>

Jackie Mac's "It's Time!" Hank Mobley

I have most of the albums mentioned in this thread and because of this thread I revisited some of my Gene Harris/3 Sounds albums I hadn't listened to in awhile. Lo and behold! I stumbled across Gene Harris and The Three Sounds Live At The It Club Vol. 2. Wow! I've been listening to it ever since. Vol. 1 is alright, but this one has turned my head around. The only fault I find with the It Club albums is the drummer is not my cup of tea. <script src="safari-extension://com.ebay.safari.myebaymanager-QYHMMGCMJR/b6c3a1b5/background/helpers/prefilterHelper.js" type="text/javascript"> </script>

It's a good bet that JJ is roaming around Kitty-Cat Heaven....

I stated in no uncertain terms that I was insulted by that term and the name calling to Aggie87. I'm sure you read it in this thread. As I said to him, I am not any kind of boy. But since you insist, if it walks like a duck...

So, you insist on calling me a boy. That speaks volumes. Nothing left to discuss here.

The No.1 draft choice. Even though you finally conceded, like I said, Mariota can't carry Winston's cleats. You can't help but take that back with your sarcasm. So sad.

Being a quarterback requires more than being able to throw a football through the middle of a tire from 20 yards away. Successful quarterbacks seem to share some common traits, generally rolled up under the broad category known as "leadership." There have been plenty of great black quarterbacks in both college and the pros who have had all the characteristics you'd ever want in a QB: Doug Williams, Warren Moon, Donovan McNabb, the Seahawks' Russell Wilson today (one of the top QBs in the league, IMO). Could Winston develop into a great leader? Sure. Does he demonstrate all those characteristics now? Nope. This knee-jerk reaction to any criticism of anyone who happens to be black seems somewhat -- jaundiced. IMO, etc. And yet we heard these same criticisms about the quarterbacks you mention. These same lines come up EVERY TIME a black quarterback comes along. But I'm the one with the knee-jerk reaction... And getting back to the original topic, Duckland is not so happy tonight! Now will those same posters blame Mariota totally for their loss tonight like they did Winston when his team lost? Will they say he's not a leader because he didn't rally his team when their spirits were down? Was he exhibiting a champion's heart when he hung his head on the sideline while his team still had a chance? Was he making "bad decisions" that cost them the game? Was he selfishly trying to win the game by himself? Do you think Mariota works hard enough? After all, he looked very tired in the fourth quarter. To paraphrase a poster here, If he worked as hard as you claim and was as great as you claim, (Oregon) would have absolutely dominated their opponent. But they didn't. If you were fair minded you would say all of these things about Mariota just like you did against Winston. And you would be wrong again. I don't think these things apply to either of them. I think of college football players as kids. I try to be objective and not be too critical of kids. They still have the capacity to improve. I think Mariota is a wonderful football player. I just don't think he's as good as Winston. You were so eager to show how stellar Mariota was and what a bum Winston was, you went overboard and lost all objectivity. We all got to see his flaws and weaknesses in this game. When you make the pronouncements about how much better he is than Winston, remember to compare what their teams achieved. Winston, unlike Mariota led his team to two undefeated regular seasons. He also led his team to a national championship, which Mariota was unable to do.

FWIW, I don't think I said either of those two things you quoted. You're misquoting me in trying to rebut what I said. My contention is that his decision-making is immature, both on-field and off. The latter seems obvious. The former is borne out by the falloff in his play this past season despite being surrounded by some of the best talent in the country. He's got a great arm, talent, I'm sure works hard, but you have to assess the whole package. And he ain't that. That's all. As far as Winston leading them to an undefeated season this past year, he didn't play in the Clemson game (despite showing up on the sidelines in full gear while being suspended). The backup QB played that game, so ... The backup's undefeated this season! Must be a No. 1 pick? Read my post again. I didn't misquote you. I said you were contradicting false claims made on this thread. I didn't say you made this particular claim. For the last time, he was handicapped by 7 players from last year going to the NFL. That means blue-chip players, not just regular starters. That kind of attrition affects any team.

" You come across as a serious Winston fan boy. Not much else." So now you resort to name calling. Well I'm nobody's fan boy or any kind of boy at all. I'm a grown-ass man. I can think of a few names that apply to you but I won't go there.

Wow! So you insist beyond all proof and first hand knowledge that Winston didn't work hard. And he wasn't a great football player. Leading his team to an undefeated season when they had a target on their back all season as the defending national champions means nothing to you. I submit to you again, who else has done that? You still haven't answered that question. Manziel didn't do it, Mariota didn't do it. Who did? Mariota lost 3 games at Oregon with no undefeated regular seasons.

"Lots of guys "work hard" on the football field. I'm sure he does, too." This is a direct contradiction to false claims made on this thread, remember "I don't think he works as hard as you obviously do" and "I think he's just got enough natural talent that superseded his need to work hard". There are many football related claims about him here that we obviously disagree about. I could address them one by one, but what would be the point. Just remember what was said here when Winston is drafted #1 and Mariota is drafted considerably lower.

I have only evaluated his football skills and accomplishments. His off field problems can be discussed by others. Just because he has exhibited questionable behavior off field does not take away all the things he is superior at. That's all I'm saying. What secret knowledge are you privy to about his work habits? Obviously, you know something his coaches, teammates, scouts and scribes covering this team don't. I'm not the one saying he works hard. The people he works with are saying it. Yet you contend that you know better than all of them. Your claim is totally unsubstantiated. This bum isn't smart enough to lead an NCAA football team to two back-to-back undefeated seasons and a national championship. Hell, it doesn't take hard work to lead 10 men to do that, only natural talent. Where does that natural talent come from? And to think he did that making bad decisions all the way. I guess he's just a stupid, lazy bum that got lucky.

The 18 interceptions were largely a product of FSU losing their top receivers and having to break in freshman receivers who often ran the wrong routes. FSU's running game suffered from their top running backs Freeman and Wilder, going to the NFL. Very simply, Winston had to carry this team more than he did the previous season. Winston doesn't get enough credit for his football I.Q. Notre Dame's head coach Brian Kelly said, "If I'm making that first pick and I need a quarterback, I'm taking Winston because of his football intelligence." And his coaches said he was a joy to work with. Corey Clark of the Tallahassee Democrat wrote, "his teammates, both on the baseball diamond and the football field, really liked him. And more importantly, they respected him. Not only because he won - a lot - but because of how hard he worked." This dispels several claims made here; 1. He doesn't work hard 2. He's dumb 3. He's unteachable 4. He makes bad football decisions Not being intelligent enough is a claim made about many superstar athletes, from Michael Jordan to Magic Johnson and beyond, and frankly, a lot of us are sick of that label. Those are code words to many of us, if you know what I mean.

To clarify, since you're quoting me, I also said Winston has the more NFL-ready arm. I've said that he can make the NFL-type reads and throw into tight windows where the receiver is going to be -- throw them open, in other words -- rather than just throw to open receivers, which a lot of college QBs do well. That "talent" doesn't override the sense I have that he is prone to making bad decisions (both on and off the field), selfish decisions. (Sticking to football, I offered as an example his not pitching the ball to an open back, choosing instead to try to get the TD for himself in the semifinal.) It's one thing to have talent, it's another to make the right choices -- on the field and in life. If he had a level head on his shoulders, which he clearly does not at this point, he would without doubt be a better pick than Mariota. But seems to me Mariota is much more mature in his decision-making, which is the key in the NFL. And life. The alleged victim is suing the school. I can't imagine someone pursing this legal case if she wasn't convinced she was assaulted and kicked to the curb by the powers that be in Tallahassee. I'm challenging your statement that Winston is not in the same league as Mariota as a football player. I'm saying the pros say he is better. As a leader, he led his team to two undefeated regular seasons and a national championship. His teammates would run through a brick wall for him. He is unquestionable a great team leader. We can have differing opinions but the facts don't lie. FSU's record speaks for itself. As for your example of him being prone to making bad decisions and being selfish (and I'm addressing football here, since you said both on the field and off). You cited one example, which I don't agree with, BTW, and ignore all the good decisions he made for twenty-six straight games. Talk about picking nits, that's just silly. Hey, you don't like the guy. I get it. But don't just make stuff up and try to make it fit through the prism of your biased perceptions. Please understand, I am not and never have been an FSU fan. I'm only trying to be objective about who I think is the best college football player in the country.

I missed that. Thanks.

I don't know the answer to that. However, if it was rape, why was he the only one accused? If there were teammates/roommates present during a rape they all would be charged. Will someone please tell me what RKG means?

While that may all be true, Mariota is the "right kinda guy". Winston simply isn't. I'd rather have a RKG that is hard working and teachable lead my team than a (probable) rapist who has the tools but a 10 cent brain. I don't buy the rapist tag put on Winston. If you know about history in the south you would know that rape accusations of white women was the primary reason given for lynching thousands of black men. I hate to bring it up but it's true. What is a RKG and where did you get the idea that Winston wasn't hard working? How do you fix your mind to think that a Heisman Trophy winner, the leader of a national championship football team and an All-American in 2 Division 1 NCAA sports doesn't work hard?

Jameis Winston's dad said today that his son was entering the 2015 NFL draft. We are about to see what objective NFL owners and scouts think of him. I'll bet dollars to donuts he'll be drafted ahead of Mariota. In fact, I bet he will be the number one, overall, selection. Remember the comments here; "Winston's not in the same league as Mariota, as a football player or a leader. He'll too often look to make the selfish play so he can show off his arm rather than make the right play", and all the other negativity about him. You're going to find out how wrong you are. I know many of you love Mariota and pulled for him because he appears to be the opposite of Winston, character wise. But I'm telling you that Mariota, god bless him, can't carry Winston's shoes as a quarterback. You'll see.

Stick to your Army and Navy games, my friend. After watching Army/Navy play to a 3-3 tie in 1981, I vowed never to watch another of their inept games.

FSU shouldn't have been in the playoff mix, IMO. I kept hoping week after week they'd drop a game and we'd be done with them. Nope. Winston's not in the same league as Mariota, as a football player or a leader. He'll too often look to make the selfish play so he can show off his arm rather than make the right play. And as far as what's between the ears, Jimbo Fisher and the entire school cut that kid way too much slack. Nothing new in college football, I know. But they took it to a whole other level. (He's suspended for a half. No wait. The public's pissed. He's suspended for a whole game. No wait, here he is on the sideline in full gear ready to go -- cause he's, I dunno, all about himself?) The SEC did take it on the chin this year. It's good for college football that other conferences have caught up. The Big 10 is underrated, turns out (partly because of Michigan). And the Pac 12 is looking like the best conference in the country now, top to bottom (or at least, top to middle of the pack). Two big takeaways from this bowl season: 1) There have been more than a few really uncompetitive games. Flat out mismatches. Even some of the games where the final score looks fairly close weren't competitive. A product of too many damn bowl games maybe. 2) As alluded to above, somebody has to teach these kids how to tackle again. Lost art. Way too often you'd see a ballcarrier get hit -- maybe even in the backfield -- and he would bounce off one defender after another for 10, 15, 20, 50 yards or more, defensive players flopping all over the place and pawing at the ball. I saw very few good defenses this bowl season. Very few. And as the old saying goes, defense wins championships. ... Advantage, Buckeyes? Winston did not lose that game for FSU. I thought he was leading his team to a comeback from being only 5 points down at the start of the 2nd half when Cook, his running back, fumbled the ball leading to an Oregon touchdown. Then the same running back committed another turnover enabling a second touchdown for Oregon. FSU went from a 5 point deficit to a 19 point deficit. And that was as they say "the ol' ball game." I thought Winston was brilliant but his team let him down. I know I'm in the minority here but I think Winston doesn't get the credit he deserves because of his off-field mistakes. But as a former football player, as I'm sure a lot of you are, I say that dude can flat out play! You don't win the Heisman trophy as a freshman, win 29 straight games in NCAA football, even if you are playing so called weak teams, (after all, they're all division 1 teams). Also, you don't rally your team from behind in several late game comebacks, by being lucky. He's a leader and a winner. I've never seen anyone like him. You may never see another one like him. I watched him on the sideline trying to rally his team, even when they were hopelessly out of the game. Keep in mind, after the game he stayed on the field to congratulate Oregon on their victory. The guy is also an All-American baseball player who pitches, plays the outfield and is a switch hit batter. He's a great athlete. Like him or not, I don't think anyone in the history of college football has accomplished what he has done. Tell me one other player who has matched his football accomplishments...... I'll wait..... <script src="safari-extension://com.ebay.safari.myebaymanager-QYHMMGCMJR/1643ade1/background/helpers/prefilterHelper.js" type="text/javascript"> </script>