Hardbopjazz Posted January 26, 2006 Report Posted January 26, 2006 If it wasn't for Wes, there would be no Melvin Rhyne. Most likely. If it wasn't for Bird, there would be no Miles. Possible. Quote
Free For All Posted January 26, 2006 Report Posted January 26, 2006 Referring to Louis Armstrong, didn't Dizzy once say "No him, no me!"? Did I get that right? Quote
Free For All Posted January 26, 2006 Report Posted January 26, 2006 Had there been no Trane, I think Wayne Shorter would be an entirely different player.For that matter, many others as well. I think that without the major influences of Pops, Bird, Trane and the others jazz would still have evolved, just on a different plane. There would have been others put on that pedestal, others who would be widely emulated. Hard to imagine the art without those guys, though. Some kind of Bizarro world. Quote
jazzbo Posted January 26, 2006 Report Posted January 26, 2006 Where would T. S. Monk be without Thelonious Sphere Monk? Quote
Rooster_Ties Posted January 26, 2006 Report Posted January 26, 2006 If it wasn't for Ravi Shankar... ...maybe there wouldn't have been any Conns for the last couple years?? Quote
BeBop Posted January 26, 2006 Report Posted January 26, 2006 If there hadn't been a Pres, about half of the saxophone players out there (since, say 1943) wouldn't exist. At least not playing like they do/did: Zoot, Getz, Wardell, Eager, PQ and a whole 'next generation'. Quote
GA Russell Posted January 26, 2006 Report Posted January 26, 2006 I was thinking of Coleman Hawkins. I credit him with creating, if that's not too strong a word, the post-swing evolution into modern jazz. Quote
Alexander Posted January 26, 2006 Report Posted January 26, 2006 Without Django Reinhart, there would have been no...Chuck Berry! It's true...he told me so during a radio interview I conducted with him (Chuck, that is) about ten years ago... Quote
BeBop Posted January 26, 2006 Report Posted January 26, 2006 I was thinking of Coleman Hawkins. I credit him with creating, if that's not too strong a word, the post-swing evolution into modern jazz. While I focused on Pres, that's kind of a micro-level review. Hawk not only contributed greatly to the post-swing evolution to modern jazz, it could be argued that he is the raison d'etre behind the sucess of the saxophone as a featured jazz instrument. (I realize that arguments to the contrary could also be made, but let's give the man his due!) Pres influenced whole generation of players who, in turn, influenced a whole generation beyond. Quote
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