Sonny Criss Discography Question re- a '47 session

[chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez]

On the jazzdisco page the session is listed as:

Sonny Criss/Howard McGhee/Dodo Marmarosa - California Boppin' (Jazz Showcase LP 5005)

Howard McGhee (tp) Sonny Criss (as) Teddy Edwards (ts) Hampton Hawes (p) Addison Farmer (b) Roy Porter (d)

"Hi-De-Ho Club", Los Angeles, CA, circa March, 1947

Ornithology

The Man I Love

but on my cd it includes a third track, coupled w/ the other two in the notes i have, and its body n soul. it sounds live as well and is of similar bad, but still very listenable quality.

i finally decided to go ahead and "trade in" (for only like a buck and a 1/2) the bird/inglewood jam cd and buy the Sonny Criss proper cd- cause it has those 4 jam sounds PLUS the above session, PLUS the 9/22/49 session w/ hampton hawes, BEST DECISION I EVER MADE IN MY LIFE--- anaywas if one of you knows about that "phantom" track....

[chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez]

also, the notes i have say june 47 and not march 47

[chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez]

oh the liners said sonny killed himself?!?? is it known how and why he did that. that is not a good way for west coast jazz to end, tidial wave-- maybe...but NOT that

[chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez]

hey, also, why do people always say early sonny, had timing or phrasing problems in his jazz solos. have any of you ever heard that b4? it says it in the liners AND i distinctly remember, even though the memorys a little vague right now, that crazy old homeless jazz lovers who would hang around outside the late nite jazz club 3 am jam, they were all sayin the same thing- they were all: watch out early sonny criss, his timings all fucked up. have you guys ever heard something similar along these lines? who started this rumour? some jazz critic in liner notes?

[brownie]

oh the liners said sonny killed himself?!?? is it known how and why he did that. that is not a good way for west coast jazz to end, tidial wave-- maybe...but NOT that

Sonny Criss commited suicide on November 19, 1977. He suffered from stomach cancer and it seems the pain was too much to endure. There is part of a chapter on Criss in the indispensable book 'West Coast Jazz' by Ted Gioia.

[chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez]

Roy Porter Quintet (Debonair 1821, 1822)

Sonny Criss (as) Roy Porter (org) Buddy Woodson (b) Al Bartee (d) Richard Washington (bgo)

Los Angeles, CA, 1957

Wow!

Got a Funny Feelin'

Minor Moods

Love You

HAS ANYONE HEARD THIS SESSION EVER????

(also i respect the fact that although he had a very distingueshed carreer in bebop, i respect how the last lp he made had lee ritenhour and patrice rushen!)

[The Magnificent Goldberg]

Roy Porter Quintet (Debonair 1821, 1822)

Sonny Criss (as) Roy Porter (org) Buddy Woodson (b) Al Bartee (d) Richard Washington (bgo)

Los Angeles, CA, 1957

Wow!

Got a Funny Feelin'

Minor Moods

Love You

HAS ANYONE HEARD THIS SESSION EVER????

Sorry, no. Never heard of it. His first recording with an organist. Coo.

(also i respect the fact that although he had a very distingueshed carreer in bebop, i respect how the last lp he made had lee ritenhour and patrice rushen!)

I like "The joy of sax". But "Warm and Sonny" (which doesn't have Patrice on it) is one of the most beautiful Disco albums done by a jazz musician. One of my all time favourites.

MG

Edited December 29, 2006 by The Magnificent Goldberg

[chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez]

i always thoght of s.c. as one ofthe guys who really stuck to bebop so i am totally thrilled to learn that even he went disco at the end of his carreer. ive never ever seen those lps but if i do ill instantly buy them

[The Magnificent Goldberg]

i always thoght of s.c. as one ofthe guys who really stuck to bebop so i am totally thrilled to learn that even he went disco at the end of his carreer. ive never ever seen those lps but if i do ill instantly buy them

Should be real cheap. No one wants 'em.

MG

[John L]

hey, also, why do people always say early sonny, had timing or phrasing problems in his jazz solos. have any of you ever heard that b4? it says it in the liners AND i distinctly remember, even though the memorys a little vague right now, that crazy old homeless jazz lovers who would hang around outside the late nite jazz club 3 am jam, they were all sayin the same thing- they were all: watch out early sonny criss, his timings all fucked up. have you guys ever heard something similar along these lines? who started this rumour? some jazz critic in liner notes?

Criss was always a monster saxophone player. But I do think that he improved greatly during the 1950s, and that the improvement had a lot to do with rhythm. I have never noticed "fucked up timing" in the earlier Criss, but there is a certain lack of rhythmic variation compared to what he played later. The later Criss played fewer notes, but made them count more. He also got much deeper into the blues.

Edited January 2, 2007 by John L

[Big Beat Steve]

On the jazzdisco page the session is listed as:

Sonny Criss/Howard McGhee/Dodo Marmarosa - California Boppin' (Jazz Showcase LP 5005)

Howard McGhee (tp) Sonny Criss (as) Teddy Edwards (ts) Hampton Hawes (p) Addison Farmer (b) Roy Porter (d)

"Hi-De-Ho Club", Los Angeles, CA, circa March, 1947

Ornithology

The Man I Love

but on my cd it includes a third track, coupled w/ the other two in the notes i have, and its body n soul. it sounds live as well and is of similar bad, but still very listenable quality.

i finally decided to go ahead and "trade in" (for only like a buck and a 1/2) the bird/inglewood jam cd and buy the Sonny Criss proper cd- cause it has those 4 jam sounds PLUS the above session, PLUS the 9/22/49 session w/ hampton hawes, BEST DECISION I EVER MADE IN MY LIFE--- anaywas if one of you knows about that "phantom" track....

Getting back to your original question, I don't think this "Body and soul" is a "phantom track". It looks more like a slipup on the jazzdisco page that you got this from.

I have this Jazz Showcase 5005 LP and it does include all THREE tracks from that live recording (i.e. including Body and Soul). And the Bruyninckx discography also lists all three tracks (they are listed under Howard McGhee's name there as he apparently was the leader for that gig).