Guy Berger Posted August 16, 2007 Report Posted August 16, 2007 (edited) Demography How to deal with a falling population Jul 26th 2007 From The Economist print edition Worries about a population explosion have been replaced by fears of decline Getty Images THE population of bugs in a Petri dish typically increases in an S-shaped curve. To start with, the line is flat because the colony is barely growing. Then the slope rises ever more steeply as bacteria proliferate until it reaches an inflection point. After that, the curve flattens out as the colony stops growing. Overcrowding and a shortage of resources constrain bug populations. The reasons for the growth of the human population may be different, but the pattern may be surprisingly similar. For thousands of years, the number of people in the world inched up. Then there was a sudden spurt during the industrial revolution which produced, between 1900 and 2000, a near-quadrupling of the world's population. Numbers are still growing; but recently—it is impossible to know exactly when—an inflection point seems to have been reached. The rate of population increase began to slow. In more and more countries, women started having fewer children than the number required to keep populations stable. Four out of nine people already live in countries in which the fertility rate has dipped below the replacement rate. Last year the United Nations said it thought the world's average fertility would fall below replacement by 2025. Demographers expect the global population to peak at around 10 billion (it is now 6.5 billion) by mid-century. As population predictions have changed in the past few years, so have attitudes. The panic about resource constraints that prevailed during the 1970s and 1980s, when the population was rising through the steep part of the S-curve, has given way to a new concern: that the number of people in the world is likely to start falling. The shrinking bits Some regard this as a cause for celebration, on the ground that there are obviously too many people on the planet. But too many for what? There doesn't seem to be much danger of a Malthusian catastrophe. Mankind appropriates about a quarter of what is known as the net primary production of the Earth (this is the plant tissue created by photosynthesis)—a lot, but hardly near the point of exhaustion. The price of raw materials reflects their scarcity and, despite recent rises, commodity prices have fallen sharply in real terms during the past century. By that measure, raw materials have become more abundant, not scarcer. Certainly, the impact that people have on the climate is a problem; but the solution lies in consuming less fossil fuel, not in manipulating population levels. Nor does the opposite problem—that the population will fall so fast or so far that civilisation is threatened—seem a real danger. The projections suggest a flattening off and then a slight decline in the foreseeable future. If the world's population does not look like rising or shrinking to unmanageable levels, surely governments can watch its progress with equanimity? Not quite. Adjusting to decline poses problems, which three areas of the world—central and eastern Europe, from Germany to Russia; the northern Mediterranean; and parts of East Asia, including Japan and South Korea—are already facing. Think of twentysomethings as a single workforce, the best educated there is. In Japan (see article), that workforce will shrink by a fifth in the next decade—a considerable loss of knowledge and skills. At the other end of the age spectrum, state pensions systems face difficulties now, when there are four people of working age to each retired person. By 2030, Japan and Italy will have only two per retiree; by 2050, the ratio will be three to two. An ageing, shrinking population poses problems in other, surprising ways. The Russian army has had to tighten up conscription because there are not enough young men around. In Japan, rural areas have borne the brunt of population decline, which is so bad that one village wants to give up and turn itself into an industrial-waste dump. A fertile side-effect States should not be in the business of pushing people to have babies. If women decide to spend their 20s clubbing rather than child-rearing, and their cash on handbags rather than nappies, that's up to them. But the transition to a lower population can be a difficult one, and it is up to governments to ease it. Fortunately, there are a number of ways of going about it—most of which involve social changes that are desirable in themselves. The best way to ease the transition towards a smaller population would be to encourage people to work for longer, and remove the barriers that prevent them from doing so. State pension ages need raising. Mandatory retirement ages need to go. They're bad not just for society, which has to pay the pensions of perfectly capable people who have been put out to grass, but also for companies, which would do better to use performance, rather than age, as a criterion for employing people. Rigid salary structures in which pay rises with seniority (as in Japan) should also be replaced with more flexible ones. More immigration would ease labour shortages, though it would not stop the ageing of societies because the numbers required would be too vast. Policies to encourage women into the workplace, through better provisions for child care and parental leave, can also help redress the balance between workers and retirees. Some of those measures might have an interesting side-effect. America and north-western Europe once also faced demographic decline, but are growing again, and not just because of immigration. All sorts of factors may be involved; but one obvious candidate is the efforts those countries have made to ease the business of being a working parent. Most of the changes had nothing to do with population policy: they were carried out to make labour markets efficient or advance sexual equality. But they had the effect of increasing fertility. As traditional societies modernise, fertility falls. In traditional societies with modern economies—Japan and Italy, for instance—fertility falls the most. And in societies which make breeding and working compatible, by contrast, women tend to do both. Edited August 16, 2007 by Guy Quote
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted August 17, 2007 Report Posted August 17, 2007 This isn't wrong, but I'M GLAD I WAS ABLE TO RETIRE AT 60! Fuck working for a living! Even though I really liked my job, did it well and influentially and was well paid for it. The idea that large numbers of people WANT to work on into a later retirement - rather than retire before they're totally fucking clapped out - is a nonsense. And yes, I recognise that there is a problem with pensions and how a shrinking population can afford to pay them. But the solution is productivity increases so that a smaller population can indeed produce an income of the size necessary. MG Quote
Jazzmoose Posted August 18, 2007 Report Posted August 18, 2007 I dunno...retirement really isn't something I want to do. I'm not one of those nitwits who thinks the company is their family, but I do like having a job. Okay, I'm twisted, but I can't help it. Quote
Van Basten II Posted August 18, 2007 Report Posted August 18, 2007 There are people, who without having a purpose, are pretty miserable. I've heard of too many stories of couples who separated because the guy was driving his spouse crazy by staying at home after he retired. If they want to continue to work and are still effective, why don't we let them. Af far i'm concerned, besides the fact of being older, i can't wait for retirement, unfortunately i have ways to go before getting there. Quote
Guy Berger Posted August 18, 2007 Author Report Posted August 18, 2007 And yes, I recognise that there is a problem with pensions and how a shrinking population can afford to pay them. But the solution is productivity increases so that a smaller population can indeed produce an income of the size necessary. Leaving aside the ethical question of whether younger people should be forced to fork over chunks of their income to fund an ever-lengthening retirement period (not saying that this is cut-and-dried, but I think it is an open question), there's also a practical problem with betting on productivity increases (at least in the US).* Here in the US, social security is indexed to wages. Since in the long run wages pretty much grow at the same rate as productivity, there aren't any productivity increases left to support a shrinking workers-to-retirees ratio. Guy *Personally, I think that (excepting certain types of intense manual labor), if you're going to live longer, you should also work longer. And yes, when I hit 60 my opinion on this may do a 180. Quote
Jazzmoose Posted August 18, 2007 Report Posted August 18, 2007 I agree. The idea of retiring and waiting for death at age 65 is just ridiculous in my mind. Further, the one change to Social Security that I wholeheartedly support is raising the age for benefits. Social Security is for the elderly, and frankly, 65 just doesn't cut it anymore. Although when I was a teenager, I figured 30 was about right... Quote
ejp626 Posted August 18, 2007 Report Posted August 18, 2007 There are people, who without having a purpose, are pretty miserable. I've heard of too many stories of couples who separated because the guy was driving his spouse crazy by staying at home after he retired. If they want to continue to work and are still effective, why don't we let them. Af far i'm concerned, besides the fact of being older, i can't wait for retirement, unfortunately i have ways to go before getting there. I wouldn't mind moving into a senior advisor role when I hit 65, but the idea that I wouldn't work is essentially inconceivable to me. But I am someone with a mental, not physical job. On the other hand, my wife seems to be ready already for retirement. Quote
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted August 19, 2007 Report Posted August 19, 2007 And yes, I recognise that there is a problem with pensions and how a shrinking population can afford to pay them. But the solution is productivity increases so that a smaller population can indeed produce an income of the size necessary. Leaving aside the ethical question of whether younger people should be forced to fork over chunks of their income to fund an ever-lengthening retirement period (not saying that this is cut-and-dried, but I think it is an open question), there's also a practical problem with betting on productivity increases (at least in the US).* Here in the US, social security is indexed to wages. Since in the long run wages pretty much grow at the same rate as productivity, there aren't any productivity increases left to support a shrinking workers-to-retirees ratio. Over here social security is linked to inflation, which usually lags wages. So that, when people retire, their standard of living represents some formulation relating to what they've managed to achieve in their years at work. And that does leave some room for productivity improvements to meet the demands of extra people living longer. How much and whether sufficient are harder questions. MG Quote
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted August 19, 2007 Report Posted August 19, 2007 Leaving aside the ethical question of whether younger people should be forced to fork over chunks of their income to fund an ever-lengthening retirement period (not saying that this is cut-and-dried, but I think it is an open question) To my mind there is no ethical question at all. All pensions, no matter how provided, are inter-generational transfers. Even if a person saves all his life and lives solely on the interest after retirement, that is still an inter-generational transfer. Because the savings and interest had been, and could still have been, used as investments for something in the "younger" economy. MG Quote
Guy Berger Posted August 19, 2007 Author Report Posted August 19, 2007 Here in the US, social security is indexed to wages. Since in the long run wages pretty much grow at the same rate as productivity, there aren't any productivity increases left to support a shrinking workers-to-retirees ratio. Over here social security is linked to inflation, which usually lags wages. So that, when people retire, their standard of living represents some formulation relating to what they've managed to achieve in their years at work. And that does leave some room for productivity improvements to meet the demands of extra people living longer. How much and whether sufficient are harder questions. Yup. If, as in the UK, you peg social security growth to the growth rate of prices (inflation), then productivity improvements could definitely fill the gap. Leaving aside the ethical question of whether younger people should be forced to fork over chunks of their income to fund an ever-lengthening retirement period (not saying that this is cut-and-dried, but I think it is an open question) To my mind there is no ethical question at all. All pensions, no matter how provided, are inter-generational transfers. Even if a person saves all his life and lives solely on the interest after retirement, that is still an inter-generational transfer. Because the savings and interest had been, and could still have been, used as investments for something in the "younger" economy. Well, I think the issue comes from the fact that there are government dictated transfers. Quote
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