BeBop Posted February 5, 2009 Report Share Posted February 5, 2009 This 'struck a chord' with me. From my perspective, too much fetish-ization of Blue Note's past. Then again, by many measures, the present pales in comparison. Grammy Salute to Jazz' at Club Nokia The pre-awards salute included a tip of the hat to Blue Note Records, but a nagging sense that the label's 1960s heyday may not ever be equaled lends a rueful undertone to the showcase. By Chris Barton February 5, 2009 At this year's "Grammy Salute to Jazz," there was a lot of talk about the future. Inside the crisp, modern Club Nokia at the L.A. Live complex downtown Tuesday night, performers and presenters such as Herbie Hancock, Natalie Cole and Recording Academy President Neil Portnow all gestured at the fresh faces of the high-school-aged Grammy Jazz Ensembles program filling the bandstand and assured an audience of elegantly dressed fans that jazz's future is indeed in good hands. And though one of the still-anonymous prodigies backing luminaries such as Joe Lovano, Cassandra Wilson and Hancock might rise to carry jazz into its next era of greatness, the unquestioned star of this night was the past. http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/la-et...0,3744951.story Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shrdlu Posted February 16, 2009 Report Share Posted February 16, 2009 Well it is impossible to be like the 50s and 60s BN material. I don't think they should use the name anymore. Let's face it, Blue Note means Alfred Lion - tho I will accept the later Duke Pearson/Frank Wolff productions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GA Russell Posted February 16, 2009 Report Share Posted February 16, 2009 I don't think that the issue is limited to the Blue Note label. The problem is that the scene today is not creating the quality music that it did in the 50s and 60s. Not only is Blue Note of the 2000s not the Blue Note of the 60s, no other label of the 2000s is either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluesnik Posted February 16, 2009 Report Share Posted February 16, 2009 blue note's heyday day WAS the fifties and sixties. include part fo the forties if you like but nothing more. what everyone collects and what's getting reissued is THIS, nothing else. everything that has been done ever since pales in comparison and isn't the real deal. to me anything by Hank Mobley or Lee Morgan or Sonny Clark just is light years away from the Marsalis and Medeski, Martin and Wood and others. and it's not just Blue Note but also Prestige, Riverside etc. The past, heavy, and the present, hollow, to paraphrase Joseph Malik with his famous ...the past, the present, the future... recitation in Futuristica. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest youmustbe Posted February 16, 2009 Report Share Posted February 16, 2009 blue....100% correct...no way anythiing today can compare...different time....different strokes for different folks...we should just enjoy what WAS...no different than listening to Beethoven...that also WAS! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 'cept he undervalues the pre-bop recordings. From the early recordings in 1939 there was something special happening. Alfred Lion's work from Ammons, Lewis and Hines thru Monk, Silver, Nichols, Hill and Taylor is an exemplar for all who follow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest youmustbe Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 Yes, everybody forgets the pre bop Blue Note...great stuff...... But everything in it's place... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 Yes, everybody forgets the pre bop Blue Note...great stuff...... But everything in it's place... What place might that be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest youmustbe Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 That place somewhere, no pun intended for Lenny Bernstein and Stephen Sondheim...where you Chuck and I will be blasted off when we are 100 years old and the 'youngsters', in their 70's, will have no room for us! All the doom day scenarious from the 50's will come true! I just hope they serve sushi on board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Shawn Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 'cept he undervalues the pre-bop recordings. From the early recordings in 1939 there was something special happening. Alfred Lion's work from Ammons, Lewis and Hines thru Monk, Silver, Nichols, Hill and Taylor is an exemplar for all who follow. Agreed! There must be at least 20 or 30 of us out there that love the pre-50's era of Blue Note. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danasgoodstuff Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 Hey! I love Sidney Bechet, MLL, et al...and also think that post-revitalization BN is more than OK for what and when it was - a corporate stepchild in a bad time for jazz, realistically it's been better than I woulda guessed 25 years ago when they recessitated the corpse. Maybe I should start a new thread on BNs of the last 25, or did we do that already? I hope Ashley Khan's book on BN is better than the one On Impulse! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluesnik Posted February 22, 2009 Report Share Posted February 22, 2009 blue note's heyday day WAS the fifties and sixties. i don't want to say with that that i only listen to old stuff. at the contrary, there are lots of good things done today. i like coralie clement's last album toystore a lot and i love amy whinehouse and dubstep. but what i mean is that i mostly listen to old stuff on blue note. i'm not very interested by what's being done now. at its best its just recooking old stuff. that's what i mean. i love the fifties and early sixties. all the classic stuff. but i don't like much the blue note of the late sixties. and much less what comes after that. in rock and pop and brazil i also specially like what's done in the sixties and seventies. and i don't much understand all that eighties revival. i understand it for nostalgic reasons, but the music from that decade is not so great. i like a lot what's being done now or what was done in the nineties that reflects its era. the detroit techno for instance was great. and i still like it. and some of the music from today, like the dubstep and the broken beat. but in jazz i think the best was done in the fifties and the early sixties. also the thirties and forties are great. the swing and the bebop. i love bebop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted February 22, 2009 Report Share Posted February 22, 2009 I really dig the broken beat myself, but what is dubstep & who does it best? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indestructible! Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 (edited) I really dig the broken beat myself, but what is dubstep & who does it best? Jim, Check out Burial and/or Boxcutter for some top notch dubstep... but several other are great too... here are some links to some samples: Burial - Untrue http://www.emusic.com/album/Burial-Untrue-...d/11105820.html Burial - Burial http://www.emusic.com/album/Burial-Burial-...d/10994292.html Boxcutter - Glyphic http://www.emusic.com/album/Boxcutter-Glyp...d/11113160.html Boxcutter - Oneiric http://www.emusic.com/album/Boxcutter-Onei...d/10949552.html Benga - Diary of an Afro Warrior http://www.emusic.com/album/Benga-Diary-Of...d/11174618.html 6blocc - La Dubstep Nostra Music http://www.emusic.com/album/6blocc-parson-...d/11239196.html Also, check out the Shift label for some solid stuff out of Seattle: Shift Recordings - Best of Shift, Vol. 1 http://www.emusic.com/album/Various-Artist...d/11310589.html Cheers, Shane Edited February 23, 2009 by Indestructible! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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