mikeweil Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 (edited) Does anybody here know which system Fantasy used to attribute matrix numbers in the 1950's? Somehow I cannot determinate whether it is session based or whatever ... Thanks, as always. Edited May 17, 2009 by mikeweil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesAHarrod Posted May 19, 2009 Report Share Posted May 19, 2009 Does anybody here know which system Fantasy used to attribute matrix numbers in the 1950's? Somehow I cannot determinate whether it is session based or whatever ... Thanks, as always. Very good question. I have about three dozen of the first 78s from 501 through 536, all of the 10" LPs, and around sixty of the EP releases on 45. I have never examined the matrix numbers on these releases, but checking some of them just now I would have to answer . . . whatever! Release 9.0 of the Lord discography lists matrix numbers for these first 78s... 501 uses 3006 and 3008 502 uses 3010 and 3025 503 uses 3039 and 3032 504 uses the Coronet matrices COR-553 and COR-554* 505 uses the Coronet matrices COR-551 and COR-552* 506 uses 6037 and 6048 507 uses 3029 and 6034 508 uses 6031 and 6045 and so on... later the numbers jump to 7000 and 10000 sequences? I have some of the early Galaxy 78s as well... 701 uses 7103 and 7107 702 uses 8109 and 8114 703 uses 11160 and 11150 When I get a spare moment with nothing else pressing I will tabulate the matrix numbers on everything in my collection and see if any system emerges. Once again, great question. Jim *Brubeck's first releases were on the Coronet label. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasing the Korean Posted May 19, 2009 Report Share Posted May 19, 2009 When I first saw this thread title, I thought it was a vinyl geek's equivalent of "Fantasy Football!!!" As in, wouldn't it be a great to have matrix number AXFZ-1044867B? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted May 19, 2009 Report Share Posted May 19, 2009 When I first saw this thread title, I thought it was a vinyl geek's equivalent of "Fantasy Football!!!" As in, wouldn't it be a great to have matrix number AXFZ-1044867B? Go have a couple of shots of Johnny Walker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeweil Posted May 19, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2009 When I get a spare moment with nothing else pressing I will tabulate the matrix numbers on everything in my collection and see if any system emerges. That would be great! :tup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesAHarrod Posted May 29, 2009 Report Share Posted May 29, 2009 I have listed below the matrix numbers for the Fantasy 78s in my collection. I do not see any cohesive pattern that would indicate how they assigned matrix numbers. Perhaps the crossword wizard at the NYT can figure it out! 3006/3008 501 DAVE BRUBECK 3010/3025 502 DAVE BRUBECK 3039/3042 503 DAVE BRUBECK J-103-A & COR554/J-103-B & COR553 504 DAVE BRUBECK J-104-A & COR551/J-104-B & COR552 505 DAVE BRUBECK 6037/6048 506 DAVE BRUBECK 3029/6034 507 DAVE BRUBECK 6031/6045 508 DAVE BRUBECK 7013/7031 509 DAVE BRUBECK 7027/7036 510 DAVE BRUBECK 7042/7047 511 DAVE BRUBECK 7021/7052 512 DAVE BRUBECK 11015/11036 513 DAVE BRUBECK 10004/11010 514 DAVE BRUBECK 10010/10026 515 DAVE BRUBECK 10020/10041 516 DAVE BRUBECK 8127/8137 517 DAVE BRUBECK 8130/8134 518 DAVE BRUBECK 11113/11119 519 DAVE BRUBECK 11103/11133 520 DAVE BRUBECK 4203/4204 521 DAVE BRUBECK 9258/9261 522 GERRY MULLIGAN 9205/9232 523 DAVE BRUBECK 9239/9250 524 DAVE BRUBECK 9266/9273 525 GERRY MULLIGAN 9252/9253 526 DAVE BRUBECK 9217/9244 527 DAVE BRUBECK 1318/1326 528 GERRY MULLIGAN 1315/1327 529 GERRY MULLIGAN 1501/1502 530 DAVE BRUBECK 1504/1505 531 CAL TJADER 1506/1507 532 CAL TJADER 1508/1509 533 CAL TJADER 1510/1511 534 CAL TJADER 1502/1503-D2 535 DAVE BRUBECK FAN-1518-D1/FAN-1519-D1 536 CAL TJADER Circle Records used the same metal stampers for the Coronet and Fantasy issues of Coronet 104/Coronet 103 and Fantasy 504/Fantasy 505. Assigning matrix numbers is not rocket science. Much of my recent research has been devoted to the Modern label established by the Bihari brothers in Los Angeles in the mid 1940s. They assigned a new matrix number, in sequence, to each tune recorded within a session, and then a "dash-one, dash-two, etc., to each take of that tune. Exceptions to this system seem to be limited to stuff they licensed from other labels as well as things that Modern did not record like the jazz things from the Gene Norman Presents concerts. In a 1994 interview Gene Norman stated that when he began his concerts in 1947 at the Pasadena Civic Auditorium they had to have a dedicated phone line from Pasadena to Radio Recorders in Hollywood where they made 16" acetates live as the concert was presented. Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted May 30, 2009 Report Share Posted May 30, 2009 Many times the matrix numbers were assigned by the pressing plant. Work numbers, not master numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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