Tom Storer Posted December 2, 2009 Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 Richard Sudhalter wrote a book called "Lost Chords: White Musicians and Their Contribution to Jazz, 1915-1945." It was controversial, as you might expect. I never read the book but I bought the companion double-CD, which you can get separately, and it's packed with excellent early jazz--all by white musicians, but what the hell, if it's good, it's good. I recommend the CDs heartily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted December 2, 2009 Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 I can recommend the book heartily as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted December 2, 2009 Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 I can recommend the book heartily as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EKE BBB Posted December 2, 2009 Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 I can recommend the book heartily as well. I can recommend the book heartily as well. As jazzbo, I also recommend the book... twice! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carnivore Posted December 2, 2009 Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 Breaking Out of New Orleans (JSP) http://www.amazon.com/Breaking-Out-New-Orl...9/dp/B0002LPYVC That's the set I was recommending in my earlier post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papsrus Posted December 2, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 Man! Thanks for all the great recs. You guys are unbelievable. I have managed to stumble across a small number of the musicians and titles mentioned: Noone and Dodds (although not his very early recordings) and the Freeman Mosaic single in the revivalist camp. Bill, I had that second Ory title you mentioned in my cart at amazon just yesterday and passed on it for now. I'll revisit that. Thanks. Spanier and Kid Ory are two of the more obvious/likely places to begin, I suppose. Dodds as well. And McKinney's Cotton Pickers! Harlem Hamfats (can't pass on a name like that). And Bix -- I do have the JSP there. Will wade a little deeper. 'Devin' Tune' does provide a great broad brush on a lot of this. I need to dig back into that first set. Listening to samples of the "Breaking Out" box now. Great stuff. Thanks so much for all the insights. I'm looking forward to foraging around for some of these. Will keep a close eye on the thread for more ideas that might pop up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillF Posted December 2, 2009 Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 Spanier and Kid Ory are two of the more obvious/likely places to begin, I suppose. I forgot to back the Spanier recommendation. The 16 tracks by his Ragtime Band in 1939, which I have as "The Great 16" on RCA vinyl, are classics! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownie Posted December 2, 2009 Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 Don't think Pee Wee Russell has been named yet! He is one of those unique musicians that are a trip of their own. Try this one for a start, from the Commodore vaults... ... then on to 'Hello Lola' (with Coleman Hawkins) and proceed to more of his albums! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenny weir Posted December 2, 2009 Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 Don't be scared off of Bunk Johnson by some of the comments above. He was remarkably inconsistent, but his best work is quite moving. King of the Blues on American Music might be a good place to start. Even on that CD, there's some spotty work, but "Careless Love" and "Midnight Blues" are stunning. Whoa ... my comments re Johnson & Lewis was directed only at their seeming dominance of the Jazzology catalogue. Which is why I much appreciate hearing other artists, such as Herb Morand. The Johnson/Lewis American Music outings are some of the most atmospheric recordings I have - warts and all! In fact, IMO the loping King Of The Blues is one of the most New Orleans records of all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted December 2, 2009 Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 James Reese Europe. Zez Confrey. Kid Ory Sunshine recordings. A little Bert Williams. Cliff Edwards. The Astoria group. Jelly Roll's 1923 solo recording. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papsrus Posted December 4, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 4, 2009 Here's what I've come up with ... (Post 4866). In my original post in this thread I mentioned erroneously "The Original Memphis Five -- Columbias 1923 - 1931" as one of the recordings I already have on had. It should have been another Timeless Historical release. And so, the 'Columbias' disc is now on order with the others. Thanks again for all the great input. I'll certainly be returning to the thread to cull fresh titles from time to time and throw up the odd comment about what I've listened to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted December 4, 2009 Report Share Posted December 4, 2009 Be sure to check out the Jazz Oracle label. Their transfers always sound the best to me, and their booklets are so thick that you can hardly get them in the case, and it's not just empty filler, they're chock full of history. My favorite reissue label for early jazz and hot dance, and they have rescued many sides from oblivion. I can recommend each issue for their unique values. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tjluke68 Posted December 4, 2009 Report Share Posted December 4, 2009 Why not check out some of the recordings on redhotjazz and then make a HUGE wishlist from there. I've discovered so many great bands from there and have begun to expand my expanding (much to my wife's dismay ;-) collection... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noj Posted December 4, 2009 Report Share Posted December 4, 2009 Hehehe, in typical org-board fashion, a recommendations thread results in about $20,000.00 worth of suggestions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papsrus Posted December 4, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 4, 2009 (edited) Be sure to check out the Jazz Oracle label. Their transfers always sound the best to me, and their booklets are so thick that you can hardly get them in the case, and it's not just empty filler, they're chock full of history. My favorite reissue label for early jazz and hot dance, and they have rescued many sides from oblivion. I can recommend each issue for their unique values. I definitely will, Lon. Great suggestion. The 'Richmond Rarities' that I snagged is one of theirs. Also ordered Oscar Celestin, Sam Morgan -- "Recorded in New Orleans 1925 - 1928" issued by the label. Thank you. Edited December 4, 2009 by papsrus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted December 4, 2009 Report Share Posted December 4, 2009 Sorry I missed that you ordered Richmond Rareties. It's a great label. I just finished playing the Sam Manning discs, which blow me away. Love that stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted December 4, 2009 Report Share Posted December 4, 2009 Hehehe, in typical org-board fashion, a recommendations thread results in about $20,000.00 worth of suggestions. Jon, so true! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold_Z Posted December 5, 2009 Report Share Posted December 5, 2009 Also ordered Oscar Celestin, Sam Morgan -- "Recorded in New Orleans 1925 - 1928" issued by the label. Check out Sidney Brown's bass on the Sam Morgan sides. For my money this guy knew where it was going. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenny weir Posted December 5, 2009 Report Share Posted December 5, 2009 Has it already been mentioned? The Louis Armstrong Mosaic. Going to be the soundtrack for the big pot of read beans and rice I'm about to cook for Sunday supper! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Posted December 6, 2009 Report Share Posted December 6, 2009 Check out Jim Baldwin's archived radio shows: Jimmie Jazz. Very nice program on the Boswell Sisters and many others. Might give you some ideas for areas you'd like to investigate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted December 6, 2009 Report Share Posted December 6, 2009 I highly recommend the 2 Miff Mole SLIPPIN' AROUND volumes on Frog. http://www.frogrecords.co.uk/index.html (IIRC, these are J. R. T. Davies remasters.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted December 6, 2009 Report Share Posted December 6, 2009 re: Bunk Johnson, I love the Deccas - which are available through GHB, I believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenny weir Posted December 6, 2009 Report Share Posted December 6, 2009 (edited) re: Bunk Johnson, I love the Deccas - which are available through GHB, I believe. Called The Complete Decca Sessions on American Music. I have the same stuff on a Document CD called The Complete Deccas, Victors and V Discs Plus Alternate Takes November 1945 to January 1946. Have just done a comparison. Don't know the sound of the recent AM reissue, but it appears to have just 4 tracks + many alternates of same, so the Document would appear to be the better buy. Very Good! As my neigbours were blessed to find out this morning when it was the blastin' soundtrack to my begrudged clearing of rampant spring growth on our front-yard trees. Out of tune pianos that I don't care about - just like on some of those live Blue Note dates - and minus that boxy Bill Russell sound. Edited December 6, 2009 by kenny weir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwingItTrev Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 (edited) I recommend anything by: Mills Blue Rhythm Band or The Missourians (who became Cab Calloway's Orchestra) The track "Ozark Mountain Blues" will convince you. Edited December 7, 2009 by SwingItTrev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papsrus Posted December 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 Also ordered Oscar Celestin, Sam Morgan -- "Recorded in New Orleans 1925 - 1928" issued by the label. Check out Sidney Brown's bass on the Sam Morgan sides. For my money this guy knew where it was going. You nailed it. Brown comes through loud and clear, too. The sound on these Jazz Oracles is really outstanding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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