.:.impossible Posted December 29, 2003 Report Share Posted December 29, 2003 The Vince Guaraldi music that I have heard has been strongly rooted in the jazz tradition. A very timely thread, my family has been listening to A CHARLIE BROWN CHRISTMAS for the past week. "Christmas Time Is Here" is a real stand-out track. There is a lot to take notice of here, or you can just sit back and enjoy it along with a conversation. I just assumed Guaraldi was jazz... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrome Posted December 29, 2003 Report Share Posted December 29, 2003 I think Alexander really had it right about people type-casting him as "That Peanuts" guy ... the situation is different from him just doing any old soundtrack. Guaraldi wrote what has got to be the most recognizable tune from one of the most-beloved Christmas specials of all time, based on the work of one of the most widely known and loved cartoonists of all time. Does anyone have any first- or second-hand info on what Guaraldi thought about the whole thing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave James Posted December 29, 2003 Report Share Posted December 29, 2003 I don't have much Guaraldi in my collection, but of the two I do have, I would call one of them essential. That would be the aforementioned "Cast Your Fate to the Wind." I know a number of people who consider this a "desert island disc". The other is "Vince Guaraldi at Grace Cathedral." It's a live recording of a "Mass" Guaraldi composed that incorporates the church's rather large choir into his trio's music. Not obstrusively I might add, but in a very listenable and coherent manner. I find the whole thing a very interesting piece of music, especially the 12 minute rendition of "Holy Communion Blues." That tune is one of my all-time favorite live recordings. Nothing overwhelming, just a nice comfortable jaunt that draws you further and further into the music as it plays itself out. Well worth having and, because it's on the Fantasy label, readily available. Up over and out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Burke Posted December 30, 2003 Report Share Posted December 30, 2003 Sorry to be so terse but this is a ridiculous conversation. I listen to very little West Coast jazz but there's something very unique about VG. Unfortunately, most people's opinions of his work (and, consequently, his entire aesthetic) are governed by the fact that he made that soundtrack. If you ask me, VG understood saudades much better than Getz or any other American who employed Brazilian modes. For the record, even though it has next to nothing to do with the rest of my collection, this is one of my favorite records jazz or otherwise..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzmoose Posted December 30, 2003 Report Share Posted December 30, 2003 Sorry to be so terse but this is a ridiculous conversation. Well, that pretty much nails it, Brandon, so I see no need to apologize. These "is so-and-so jazz" conversations are pretty odd anyway, but Vince Guaraldi?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Burke Posted January 1, 2004 Report Share Posted January 1, 2004 Listening to "Ginza Samba" from Stan Getz with Cal Tjader right now and, having heard Vince on this tune, I invite anyone to further this argument. Seriously. Dude sounds like (admittedly a West Coast) Bud Powell. I mean, gimme a break...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free For All Posted January 1, 2004 Report Share Posted January 1, 2004 I really don't think there's much of an argument to further, Brandon. After re-reading the thread, it's obvious the overwhelming consensus was that VG's music was indeed jazz. Some just seem to like him more than others, which is inevitable with any artist. Plus, people can only base their opinions on what they've heard, which may not be every single recording that the artist has done. There have been several things by VG mentioned that I'm curious to check out- I do have the Getz/Tjader and I need to check it out again having heard your hearty recommendation! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tjobbe Posted January 13, 2004 Report Share Posted January 13, 2004 for those who want to get some more of Vince Guaraldi might want to check out the new homepage his son David has recently started (and also trying to release some previously unreleased material) : Here it is.... Playing Jazz with a smile that's reflected in his recordings is one of the most outstanding achievements I see/hear in his music.. no doubt for me... its Jazz... Cheers, Tjobbe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris Posted January 14, 2004 Report Share Posted January 14, 2004 Hey, what's WRONG with the Peanuts theme. I oughtta sock some of you in the mouth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzmoose Posted January 14, 2004 Report Share Posted January 14, 2004 Hey, what's WRONG with the Peanuts theme. I oughtta sock some of you in the mouth Not a thing, Chris. It's certainly there on my shelves. Filed in the jazz section, apparently to the horror of a few... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maren Posted January 14, 2004 Report Share Posted January 14, 2004 Hey, what's WRONG with the Peanuts theme. I oughtta sock some of you in the mouth Not a thing, Chris. It's certainly there on my shelves. Filed in the jazz section, apparently to the horror of a few... I remember watching one of the earliest Jay-Leno-hosted Tonight Shows: Wynton Marsalis was the musical guest, with a 5-or-6-tet and they played -- Vince Guaraldi's Peanuts theme! So I guess even Hardbop would have to concede that VG is jazz... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tjobbe Posted January 14, 2004 Report Share Posted January 14, 2004 (edited) I remember watching one of the earliest Jay-Leno-hosted Tonight Shows: Wynton Marsalis was the musical guest, with a 5-or-6-tet and they played -- Vince Guaraldi's Peanuts theme! So I guess even Hardbop would have to concede that VG is jazz... Hi Maren, its from the '94 Joe Cool blues album where he plays some new tunes for a TV show with his sixtet while Ellis with his trio is doing six Guaraldi originials... The AMG Link If it comes to Guaraldi covers I'll prefer the David Benoit one.... Cheers, Tjobbe Edited January 14, 2004 by tjobbe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDK Posted January 14, 2004 Report Share Posted January 14, 2004 This has nothing to do with nothing, but in reading this thread I was struck by the thought: what if instead of Guaraldi, someone like Mingus or Archie Shepp did the "Peanuts" music... B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tjobbe Posted January 14, 2004 Report Share Posted January 14, 2004 maybe Charlie Brown commited suicide at the end B) Cheers, Tjobbe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free For All Posted January 14, 2004 Report Share Posted January 14, 2004 This has nothing to do with nothing, but in reading this thread I was struck by the thought: what if instead of Guaraldi, someone like Mingus or Archie Shepp did the "Peanuts" music... B) and we're off........................... "Fables of Linus" "Lucy's Blue Skylight" "Don't Be Afraid, Brown's Afraid Too" "Something Like A Dog" I just love "what ifs". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spontooneous Posted January 14, 2004 Report Share Posted January 14, 2004 The Great Pumpkin and the Sinner Lady So Long, Shermy (anybody remember Shermy?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDK Posted January 15, 2004 Report Share Posted January 15, 2004 Cool! I started something without even trying... Love those suggestions, but I wanna play too. How 'bout: "Snoopy's Fight Song" "Reincarnation of Woodstock" "Wam Bam Thank You Peppermint Patty" "Dog Callin' Blues" "E's Flat (Charlie Brown's) Flat (on his back) Too" "Song With Pumpkin" "Orange Was the Color of Her Dress, then Pig Pen Showed Up..." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris Posted January 15, 2004 Report Share Posted January 15, 2004 Shermy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted January 15, 2004 Report Share Posted January 15, 2004 "All The Things You Could Be By Now If Snoopy's Wife Were Your Mother" "Baron" Mingus, as he called himself back in the L.A. days, would rechristen himself "Red Baron" Mingus. "Little Red-Haired Girl's Table Dance" "Duke Ellington's Sound Of Franklin" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris olivarez Posted January 15, 2004 Report Share Posted January 15, 2004 I believe that on Cal Tjader's album "Live At Grace Cathedral" he dedicated the compostion "I Showed Them" to Vince. I don't have any Guaraldi music except for the christmas cd's but that's something I'll change down the road. That Guaraldi and Bola Sete album look pretty cool. Guaraldi is alright in my book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceH Posted January 15, 2004 Report Share Posted January 15, 2004 Not to beat a dead thread, but I detect more than a hint of Guaraldi in Cyrus Chestnut at times, an influence he's acknowledged. Cyrus knows good music when he hears it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tjobbe Posted January 15, 2004 Report Share Posted January 15, 2004 (edited) Hi Bruce, maybe its because he did This one although his interpretation it not my taste... Cheers, Tjobbe Edited January 15, 2004 by tjobbe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazz Kat Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 Sorry for bringing this thread back, but it just made me laugh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim R Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 Sorry for bringing this thread back, but it just made me laugh. Don't apologize- this is a good topic, and it seems it's been buried too long! Wow, time flies. Anyway, hopefully somebody checks out Vince as a result (again, I hope). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewHill Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 If you have to call it something, call it jazz. It's light (as opposed to lite), not too much to sink your teeth into, but it's still "jazz". I'm w/Free For All about the "background music" aspect, which is not a derogatory categorization. Quality "ambient" music that creates a good convivial atmosphere is nothing to sneeze at. Guaraldi's music works quite nicely in this manner, thank you. But if you don't have to call it something, enjoy it for what it is, as part of a well-balanced breakfast, and leave well enough alone. That's how I became familiar with Guaraldi's music, as background music at a bookstore. I asked the clerk what was playing (Impressions of a Black Orpheus) and proceeded right to the cd shop to buy a copy and have loved it ever since. 'The Trio' disk and 'A Flower is a Lovesome Thing' are also nice records. I particularly dig Eddie Duran on those sessions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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