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I've had it for 4 freakin days now and i still feel like @#%&!!!!

:rmad::rmad:

sorry, i just had to vent. In the interests of maintaining domestic tranquility i thought I would do it here! :wacko:

At least I get to catch up on the stack of "to be played next" cd's that I always seem to accumulate! ^_^

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Our area was hit hard earlier this month and it seems like it's slowing down a bit now. The flu this year does seem a bit nastier than in previous years. May just be the particular strain of virus but could also be because the vaccine doesn't exactly cover the exact strain and therefore, even people who got the vaccine can still get and then spread the virus.

Anyway, the main thing people should know is that if you're interested in treatment you have to act fast. If you wait a couple days to see how things are going before you go to the doctor, you've missed you chance. The drugs have to be started within about 48 hours to have much affect. So if you absolutely can't be sick, see your doctor at the first sign of symptoms. Also if you have close contacts with the flu (i.e. family or roommates) the medicime can be given as prophylaxis.

If you haven't caught it yet, stay away from sick people and the general public if possible. Wash your hands frequently.

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I swear by this stuff: 86.jpg

"Developed by world renowned virologist Dr. Madeleine Mumcuoglu, Sambucol Black Elderberry Extract is a natural product manufactured in Israel. It is derived from the black elder tree, Sambucus nigra L. Dr. Mumcuoglu discovered the key active ingredient in elderberry and patented a procedure for its correct standardization."

It seems to really help fight things off if you take it when you first feel like you're coming down with something. Right now I have what feels like a medium-mild cold while everyone else at work has had the flu. At least it's a powerful placebo for me!

Semi-mainstream testimonials from http://my.webmd.com:

Dec. 22, 2003 -- Sambucol, a black elderberry extract, appears to short-circuit flu symptoms, a new study shows. This is more evidence that this herbal treatment for flu -- if taken when flu-like symptoms first appear -- could help people get through this year's flu invasion a bit easier.

However, Andrew Weil, MD, director of the program in integrative medicine at the University of Arizona, is cautious. The findings on Sambucol are only preliminary, he says. He advises people to take prescription drugs if they get the flu, but notes that Sambucol may help. "Sambucol is for treatment, not for prevention," Weil tells WebMD. "It has an unknown mechanism of action. Research suggests it inactivates the flu virus, but we don't know that for sure."

The flu drugs Tamiflu and Relenza are used for the treatment of the flu, if the symptoms have been present for no more than two days. They can also cut flu severity and shorten illness if taken soon after flu symptoms appear.

Background on Black Elder

In folk medicine, flowers from the black elder bush have been used to ease flu symptoms, colds, and sinus problems. In recent years, researchers have begun formal studies of Sambucol -- a formulation of elderberry extract -- to better understand this herbal remedy. A small study published five years ago showed that 93% of flu patients given Sambucol were completely symptom-free within two days; those taking a placebo recovered in about six days. However, the study took place during an outbreak of influenza B -- so it was unclear whether Sambucol worked with type A virus.

This current study shows that, indeed, it works for type A flu, reports lead researcher Erling Thom, with the University of Oslo in Norway. Thom's findings were presented at the 15th Annual Conference on Antiviral Research in 2002. The study has been accepted for publication in the Journal of International Medical Research. The study involved 60 patients who had been suffering with flu symptoms for 48 hours or less; 90% were infected with the A strain of the virus, 10% were infected with type B. Half the group took 15 milliliters of Sambucol or and the other group took a placebo four times a day for five days.

Patients in the Sambucol group had "pronounced improvements" in flu symptoms after three days: Nearly 90% of patients had complete cure within two to three days. Also, the Sambucol group had no drowsiness, the downside of many flu treatments. The placebo group didn't recover until at least day six; they also took more painkillers and nasal sprays.

It's likely that antioxidants called flavonoids -- which are contained in the extract -- stimulate the immune system, writes Thom. Also, other compounds in elderberry, called anthocyanins, have an anti-inflammatory effect; this could explain the effect on aches, pains, and fever. Elderberry extract could be an "efficient and safe treatment" for flu symptoms in otherwise healthy people and for those with compromised immune systems, such as the elderly, Thom adds.

Russell Greenfield, MD, a leading practitioner of integrative medicine and medical director of Carolinas Integrative Health, advocates treating flu with black elderberry, he says in a news release. "It can be given to children and adults, and with no known side effects or negative interactions," he says. "But don't expect grandma's elderberry jam" to ease flu symptoms like body aches, cough, and fever, he warns. "Sambucol is the only black elderberry preparation shown effective in clinical studies."

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I didn't get the flu but I caught some sort of sinus infection which I think is gone but it's gone into my ears and left with me sort of ringing which I can't get rid of and is driving me nuts! It's hard to sleep and it's damn annoying. I'm seeing a hearing specialist next week. The general doctor thinks it will go away in time. God, I hope so. This holiday has been one royal pain.

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