kh1958 Posted May 11, 2014 Report Share Posted May 11, 2014 If I can buy the Mosaic set for cheap, is this the way to go? If you want the set on LP, the Mosaic set is the way to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasing the Korean Posted May 11, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 11, 2014 No, this is the Mosaic CD set. I'll pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caravan Posted May 11, 2014 Report Share Posted May 11, 2014 This picture is said having been taken during a gig at Ronnie Scott`s in 1970 This was 1965. Same year as http://youtu.be/UfXxDtDuW9g Rouse split after the 1969 Europe tour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soulpope Posted May 11, 2014 Report Share Posted May 11, 2014 (edited) This picture is said having been taken during a gig at Ronnie Scott`s in 1970 This was 1965. Same year as http://youtu.be/UfXxDtDuW9g Rouse split after the 1969 Europe tour. So is the picture from following gig ? November 3, 1969 BBC-TV “Jazz Scene At Ronnie Scott’s” programme, Ronnie Scott’s Club, London Thelonious Monk Quartet Personnel: Charlie Rouse (ts), Thelonious Monk (p), Nate “Lloyd” Hygelynd (b), Austin “Paris” Wright (d). My Ideal Reflections Bright Mississippi Oska T ‘Round Midnight I Love You, I Love You, I Love You (Sweetheart of All My Dreams) (p-solo) Epistrophy (theme) Edited May 11, 2014 by soulpope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erwbol Posted May 11, 2014 Report Share Posted May 11, 2014 (edited) CD-R alert. I ordered the 24bit remasters a while ago through amazon.de. One of the discs was a CD-R. The other two volumes were still shrink-wrapped when I returned all three volumes for a refund. as there seems to float different versions of these rereleases, could you describe how the cd(=cd-r) looks like btw which indicators made you detecting the cd-r status ? It was a real cheap looking disc with lots of green hues. Unmistakable. The artwork and slipcase were like I had seen the album look for the past decade in record stores. Edited May 11, 2014 by erwbol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Lark Ascending Posted May 11, 2014 Report Share Posted May 11, 2014 One of these was the first Monk record I heard, borrowed from Norwich library in 1977 (before it burnt down). I bought the CDs ten years back - very, very enjoyable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caravan Posted May 11, 2014 Report Share Posted May 11, 2014 This picture is said having been taken during a gig at Ronnie Scott`s in 1970 This was 1965. Same year as http://youtu.be/UfXxDtDuW9g Rouse split after the 1969 Europe tour. So is the picture from following gig ? November 3, 1969 BBC-TV “Jazz Scene At Ronnie Scott’s” programme, Ronnie Scott’s Club, London Thelonious Monk Quartet Personnel: Charlie Rouse (ts), Thelonious Monk (p), Nate “Lloyd” Hygelynd (b), Austin “Paris” Wright (d). My Ideal Reflections Bright Mississippi Oska T ‘Round Midnight I Love You, I Love You, I Love You (Sweetheart of All My Dreams) (p-solo) Epistrophy (theme) No, it's from the 1965 tour (with Gales and Riley), as is the video. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xybert Posted May 11, 2014 Report Share Posted May 11, 2014 Never knew these existed either! (or at least never registered that they existed or were worth investigating). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted May 11, 2014 Report Share Posted May 11, 2014 No, it's from the 1965 tour (with Gales and Riley), as is the video.Why would you be so sure? Rouse wears a different suite I'd say (which obviously if it's different nights needn't mean much). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gheorghe Posted May 12, 2014 Report Share Posted May 12, 2014 Anyway, after the Giants of Jazz tour, Monk started to use Paul Jeffrey on tenor. And on a few occasions he used Pat Patrick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soulpope Posted May 12, 2014 Report Share Posted May 12, 2014 (edited) No, it's from the 1965 tour (with Gales and Riley), as is the video. Why would you be so sure? Rouse wears a different suite I'd say (which obviously if it's different nights needn't mean much). didn`t want to raise a (unnecessary) hatchet - but you`re right about Rouse`s suite and the skin of the bassplayer, as far as detachable, looks "white" btw doesn`t look like Larry Gales to me.... Edited May 12, 2014 by soulpope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted May 12, 2014 Report Share Posted May 12, 2014 Hard to say anything about the bass player, could just be his hand is in the light there. The wristwatch is barely detectable, but it *could* be the one the bassist in the video is wearing, I'd say.But caravan seems so sure as if he actually knew - that's why I'm asking! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imeanyou Posted May 12, 2014 Report Share Posted May 12, 2014 I'm surprised you have 90 % of Monk's commercially released stuff and have never heard these. F My listening is based on what I encounter. This is where I am today. Surely you 'encountered' reports of these recordings, they aren't exactly obscure. I have not, so I though it would be appropriate to inquire about them on a jazz-focused message board of which I am a member. I have a room full of LPs and CDs, and I can't know everything. Thanks for understanding. Carry on encountering... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caravan Posted May 12, 2014 Report Share Posted May 12, 2014 No, it's from the 1965 tour (with Gales and Riley), as is the video. Why would you be so sure? Rouse wears a different suite I'd say (which obviously if it's different nights needn't mean much). didn`t want to raise a (unnecessary) hatchet - but you`re right about Rouse`s suite and the skin of the bassplayer, as far as detachable, looks "white" btw doesn`t look like Larry Gales to me.... Monk looked quite different in 1969. More puffed up, excuse the expression. There's plenty footage from that tour on YouTube, in Paris with Hygelund and Wright (and Philly sitting in) and solo (and duo with Joe Turner) in Berlin. The Paris footage was also released on a cd, discussed in another thread here at length. Moreover, Monk wears the same hat in the photo and the video. He never used the same hat on different tours in different years. Indeed, it is the same hat he had when I saw him in 1965. In all of the 1969 footage he wears a different hat (and different - more "modern" - suits as well). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soulpope Posted May 12, 2014 Report Share Posted May 12, 2014 No, it's from the 1965 tour (with Gales and Riley), as is the video. Why would you be so sure? Rouse wears a different suite I'd say (which obviously if it's different nights needn't mean much). didn`t want to raise a (unnecessary) hatchet - but you`re right about Rouse`s suite and the skin of the bassplayer, as far as detachable, looks "white" btw doesn`t look like Larry Gales to me.... Monk looked quite different in 1969. More puffed up, excuse the expression. There's plenty footage from that tour on YouTube, in Paris with Hygelund and Wright (and Philly sitting in) and solo (and duo with Joe Turner) in Berlin. The Paris footage was also released on a cd, discussed in another thread here at length. Moreover, Monk wears the same hat in the photo and the video. He never used the same hat on different tours in different years. Indeed, it is the same hat he had when I saw him in 1965. In all of the 1969 footage he wears a different hat (and different - more "modern" - suits as well). thnx for the indepth explanation - the fact you`ve been there is sufficient proof to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imeanyou Posted May 12, 2014 Report Share Posted May 12, 2014 No, it's from the 1965 tour (with Gales and Riley), as is the video.Why would you be so sure? Rouse wears a different suite I'd say (which obviously if it's different nights needn't mean much). Caravan is correct. They were broadcast on BBC 2 back in 1994 ( or 95 I think) on a Friday night. The Beeb wheeled out Neneh Cherry to introduce the progamme and name-checked her stepdad Don and quoted Coltrane's remark about the elevator shaft after getting 'lost' playing with Monk.,( Mick Hucknall introduced a later program). I taped all the broadcasts as I recall. It was Ben Riley on drums and Larry Gales on bass. I think 'Hackensack' was the first tune, and I have a feeling 'Off Minor' was played as well. I seem to recall Rouse being a bit unsure about when to solo on one of the tunes. I'm pretty certain the music has been put out on CD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caravan Posted May 12, 2014 Report Share Posted May 12, 2014 Anyway, after the Giants of Jazz tour, Monk started to use Paul Jeffrey on tenor. And on a few occasions he used Pat Patrick. He used Jeffrey already before the Giants tour (the first tour that is, there were two - in 1971 and 1972) - for instance in Japan in early October 1970, with Larry Ridlley and Lennie McBrowne http://youtu.be/Qjeu6RtyAAI Pat Patrick (on tenor!) played with Monk at the Village Vanguard for a week in 1970, after Rouse had given notice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GA Russell Posted May 12, 2014 Report Share Posted May 12, 2014 I remember reading in Downbeat at the time that Pat Patrick was playing baritone with Monk as Charlie Rouse's replacement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted May 12, 2014 Report Share Posted May 12, 2014 Thanks caravan! Didn't know about the hats - but yes, that one is indeed identical, I noticed!Would love to have been there, but alas, I was born too late ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soulpope Posted May 12, 2014 Report Share Posted May 12, 2014 (edited) I remember reading in Downbeat at the time that Pat Patrick was playing baritone with Monk as Charlie Rouse's replacement. In 1970, jazz pianist Thelonius Monk tapped Pat to fill in on tenor sax one night at the Village Vanguard. For Pat, who wound up playing with Monk for five months, it was one of the high points of his career. That first night, Terry Adams, one of the founders of the rock band NRBQ, with which Pat also played periodically in the 1980s, was in the audience. "At one point Monk played something new, which completely threw everyone off," Adams recalled. "But Pat got it just like that. Didn't even have to turn the horn." Also the discography from the book titled "Brilliant Corners" states Village Vanguard January 8th -10th, 23rd-24th, 30th - 31st (*) March 5th-8th and 13th - 15th, May 26th-31st, 1970 Pat Patrick (tenor saxophone) Thelonious Monk (piano) Wilbur Ware (bass) and Leroy Williams (drums) btw (*) Ed Blackwell (drums) Toronto Colonial Tavern February 6th - 14th, 1970 Pat Patrick (tenor saxophone) Thelonious Monk (piano) Wilbur Ware (bass) and Beaver Harris (drums) Boston Jazz Wokshop February 24th - 28th, 1970 Pat Patrick (tenor saxophone) Thelonious Monk (piano) Wilbur Ware (bass) and Beaver Harris (drums) http://www.monkbook.com/sessionography/sessionography-1970-1975/ Edited May 12, 2014 by soulpope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted May 12, 2014 Report Share Posted May 12, 2014 source for that:http://sunraarkive.blogspot.ch/2008_11_01_archive.htmlnice find! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caravan Posted May 12, 2014 Report Share Posted May 12, 2014 Anyway, after the Giants of Jazz tour, Monk started to use Paul Jeffrey on tenor. And on a few occasions he used Pat Patrick. He used Jeffrey already before the Giants tour (the first tour that is, there were two - in 1971 and 1972) - for instance in Japan in early October 1970, with Larry Ridlley and Lennie McBrowne http://youtu.be/Qjeu6RtyAAI Pat Patrick (on tenor!) played with Monk at the Village Vanguard for a week in 1970, after Rouse had given notice. Correct link: http://youtu.be/Qjeu6RtyAAI Anyway, after the Giants of Jazz tour, Monk started to use Paul Jeffrey on tenor. And on a few occasions he used Pat Patrick. He used Jeffrey already before the Giants tour (the first tour that is, there were two - in 1971 and 1972) - for instance in Japan in early October 1970, with Larry Ridlley and Lennie McBrowne http://youtu.be/Qjeu6RtyAAI Pat Patrick (on tenor!) played with Monk at the Village Vanguard for a week in 1970, after Rouse had given notice. Correct link: http://youtu.be/Qjeu6RtyAAI Arrgh - don't know what's wrong. If you search for "Monk Jeffrey" in YouTube, you'll get there right away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GA Russell Posted May 12, 2014 Report Share Posted May 12, 2014 That's great to know, soulpope! I'm very confident that Downbeat mentioned the baritone, so maybe what it said was something like..."Baritone saxophonist Pat Patrick" rather than "Pat Patrick played the baritone." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soulpope Posted May 12, 2014 Report Share Posted May 12, 2014 (edited) That's great to know, soulpope! I'm very confident that Downbeat mentioned the baritone, so maybe what it said was something like..."Baritone saxophonist Pat Patrick" rather than "Pat Patrick played the baritone." glad this info was still of interest/helpfull.....actually it was your remark which made me diggin` these infos which were partially either new to or forgotten by myself...... so most likely it was always Pat Patrick on tenor within the timespan January to End of May 1970 (ommitting one gig at the Frog & Nightgown in Raleigh N.C in March 1970, where Paul Jeffrey played tenor instead of Pat Patrick ......the following gig at the Village Vanguard it was Pat Patrick on tenor back again) ..... Edited May 12, 2014 by soulpope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted May 12, 2014 Report Share Posted May 12, 2014 Anyway, after the Giants of Jazz tour, Monk started to use Paul Jeffrey on tenor. And on a few occasions he used Pat Patrick. He used Jeffrey already before the Giants tour (the first tour that is, there were two - in 1971 and 1972) - for instance in Japan in early October 1970, with Larry Ridlley and Lennie McBrowne Arrgh - don't know what's wrong. If you search for "Monk Jeffrey" in YouTube, you'll get there right away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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