connoisseur series500 Posted April 26, 2004 Report Posted April 26, 2004 It seems that most teams were big winners in this year's draft. It was a deep selection and most teams improved themselves. Offhand, Detroit and Atlanta seem to be the big winners. Oakland did well too especially if we count their free agent signings. Redskins picked up a monster in Sean Taylor. Browns made a dopey trade to move up one spot with Detroit. In a deep draft like this why give away a high second rounder? New England hardly drafted according to need early on. They just seemed to pick for value in the first couple of rounds. Interesting... Quote
Soulstation1 Posted April 26, 2004 Report Posted April 26, 2004 i will offer the stud services of mr. archie manning for $1 million dollars a shot. two sons and both are #1 draft picks is really amazing. one thing about eli, if you don't want to play where you are drafted, join the military. the browns got a "fuckin' soldier" in kellen winslow II Quote
rachel Posted April 26, 2004 Report Posted April 26, 2004 one thing about eli, if you don't want to play where you are drafted, join the military. Huh? I would think that if one doesn't want to go where they're drafted then the last place they would want to join is the military... The thing is, it isn't the military; he doesn't have to play anywhere. I guess the Chargers realized that he might be serious about law school --yeah he's pretty smart, too. If you've got the talent, why not parlay that and go where the market will have you? Quote
chris olivarez Posted April 26, 2004 Report Posted April 26, 2004 Denver did fairly good in meeting team needs. Quote
PHILLYQ Posted April 26, 2004 Report Posted April 26, 2004 The Giants may have paid too much for Manning. The Giants GM was so hot to get Manning that he gave up a first round pick next year. Manning, Rothlisberger(sp) and Rivers were all highly rated QBs, and the Giants could have had Rivers or Rothlisberger without sacrificing any picks at all. In addition, the Chargers were possibly stuck with a player that wouldn't play for them, thus making their bargaining position rather weak. If the Giants have a lousy year next season, which is entirely possible, they've given up a great pick. Of course, this is all qualified by how the three QBs do as pro players- if Manning plays great and the other two are busts, then the price paid is not that bad after all. Quote
Aggie87 Posted April 27, 2004 Report Posted April 27, 2004 I agree that the Giants gave up too much for Manning, who is going to have a hard time living up to expectations, I think. Plus Manning's attitude about the Chargers will hurt him, at least for a while, in the eyes of many fans. Looks like a selfish, spoiled brat who thinks he's above the rules to me. Rivers and Big Ben should be more effective than Manning, with less pressure on them to be superstars right from the start. I can't figure out the Cowboys' draft. To have their choice of the two best running backs available - Jackson or Kevin Jones - and trade away the pick for some lower round picks, plus a #1 next year makes no sense to me. In effect they just postponed their #1 pick this year until next, and gained a couple of lower round picks. I think it was a mistake. Gotta hope that Julius Jones turns out to be a great running back, and that they have a great first round next year, with two picks. Buffalo has a tough schedule this year, so their first rounder should be a top 10 pick at least. Quote
rachel Posted April 27, 2004 Report Posted April 27, 2004 (edited) What rules? Is there a rule which states that if you are drafted you have to play football at all? So the Charger fans aren't going to like Manning? BFD. The only fans who resented John Elway were from Baltimore... and to what end? His reputation in the NFL certainly hasn't suffered over the years. Both men turned the situation into something better for them, entirely by the rules. Nothing wrong w/that. I agree that he's going to have a hard couple of years initially both living up to expectations and having to deal with their offensive line, but as far as fan resentment, I think the fan base in NY will more than compensate for whatever grief he gets from SD. Edited April 27, 2004 by rachel Quote
GA Russell Posted April 27, 2004 Report Posted April 27, 2004 Archie Manning wasted his career playing for the ineptly managed Saints, and I think he wanted to ensure that his sons don't waste their careers the same way. Most players don't have the guts to tell some teams that they would prefer not to play for them. If Eli is in a position where he can get away with it, congratulations I say. Quote
PHILLYQ Posted April 27, 2004 Report Posted April 27, 2004 Good point, Rachel. I just hope that the fans in NY/NJ will have some patience with Manning- he'll definitely have some growing pains in his first season, and NY/NJ can be tough as far as expectations and demands. By the way,did you see who the Giants drafted in the second round? He's an offensive lineman, but the guy's son is Coughlin's grandson!!!!!!!!!! I guess this is one way to be sure he takes care of his child support obligations. That's gotta make for some interesting team meetings... Quote
rachel Posted April 27, 2004 Report Posted April 27, 2004 (edited) By the way,did you see who the Giants drafted in the second round? He's an offensive lineman, but the guy's son is Coughlin's grandson!!!!!!!!!! I guess this is one way to be sure he takes care of his child support obligations. That's gotta make for some interesting team meetings... Yeah... now there's pressure. Eli Manning was on David Letterman last night (as was Diana Krall with Christian McBride on bass...) He has such a high degree of respect for others that I think be will ultimately do fine on the personality/handling pressure level. He comes from good stock. David Letterman said that he will continue to be a Colts fan; however if the Giants "get really good" then he will become a Giants fan. I'm definitely more of a Giants fan now; it will be fun to see how he does. Edited April 27, 2004 by rachel Quote
Aggie87 Posted April 27, 2004 Report Posted April 27, 2004 I don't agree with the sentiments that either of you seem to be stating in your posts. If all of the draftees starting having Manning's attitude, then I think it would spell doom for the NFL, which in my opinion is the best professional sports league in the U.S. Way too many athletes in the NFL (and other sports as well) think they're better than the team. It's all about me, me, me. I've got way more respect for the guys with the blue-collar attitudes, even when they're collecting million dollar paychecks. The guys who take less money to stay with a team they've played for, the guys who accept where they've been drafted and play as best they can. The guys that go to Cincinnati or apparently San Diego nowadays, or Jacksonville. Quote
rachel Posted April 27, 2004 Report Posted April 27, 2004 (edited) Yeah, but Aggie you stated that he seems above the rules. Again... what rules? If you have the talent and are a hot commodity, then you will go where the market will have you. Same thing with getting those million dollar contracts. If nobody wanted him, then he wouldn't have a choice, would he? (or get the money)... You don't think there is wheeling and dealing every draft day? You just don't hear about much of it. And down the road when his contract is due to expire, if it comes down to restructuring a contract to free up cap or whatever, I can guarantee you that someone like Eli Manning will do whatever he can for the team. If those blue collar men were the number 1 pick, you don't think they would be using that to get where they wanted to be? That's just good business. And the NFL isn't some holy grail---it's business. Now if you want to talk about a spoiled brat, I would give you Terrell Owens. Edited April 27, 2004 by rachel Quote
Kevin Bresnahan Posted April 27, 2004 Report Posted April 27, 2004 Interesting using Elway as a comparison. I lost all respect for Elway ever since he stiffed the Baltimore Colts... and I'm a Patriots fan who could've cared less about the Baltimore Colts. I always thought Elway was a punk and I always rooted against his Broncos just because of his presence on that team. I imagine people in Indianapolis must love Elway. It was partly because of Elway sticking it to the Colts that the team moved to Indy. And since Rachel's tagline is Indianapolis... Does anyone know what was so wrong with San Diego anyway? They have had some good to very good teams lately. They have the same salary cap as everyone else so it can't be about money. It isn't about playing in CA because he supposedly wanted to play for the Raiders. What was wrong with San Diego? Drew Brees? I wonder if San Diego's trade may work out like the Herschel Walker deal worked out for Dallas? The Giants gave up a lot for this guy. If he can't get it done, it could get ugly. Oh, BTW, when the Patriots get beat, I revert to rooting for the Giants (in my early days, the Giants were the only NFL team in New England). It's going to be tough rooting for Eli and the Giants when I think he's a spoiled punk for sticking it to the Chargers. I suppose I can take comfort in knowing that at least the Chargers got a good QB and some draft picks out of the deal... yeah, maybe I can forgive the guy... unless he starts losing! Kevin Quote
rachel Posted April 27, 2004 Report Posted April 27, 2004 (edited) I can see why it would appear that I'm pro Elway because of living in Indianapolis; however, that's not really the case. I actually lived in the greater Baltimore area when the whole Elway thing went down. Can't say that I blame him for not wanting to play for Bob Irsay; however, I did think he came across as a punk in the press. Looking at it objectively, I ultimately feel ( and felt this way even when living in Baltimore) that Elway did nothing wrong by using his potential baseball career as leverage; the negative press didn't hurt him, and he went on to command a decent amount of respect in the league. So it's not an "I'm so glad Elway stiffed the Colts because now Indy has a football team" scenario at all. (Although life sure has a way of straightening itself out; I moved to Indy not long after the Colts moved. ) Interestingly, Ernie Accorsi, the GM of the Giants who brokered the Manning deal was the GM of the Colts during the Elway drama. He wanted to call Elway's bluff, having the inside scoop from baseball insiders that Elway wasn't really good enough to go far in baseball. However, Bob Irsay and Michael Chernoff did the deal behind Accorsi's back. I can understand his need to make the Manning deal. "Sticking it to the Chargers"? ( ) You can't really feel sorry for the them; they certainly parlayed this scenario to their advantage too. They'll probably have a seriously high first round pick next year. It's business, folks. Edited April 28, 2004 by rachel Quote
connoisseur series500 Posted April 27, 2004 Author Report Posted April 27, 2004 MAN!! A lady who knows her football. Well.... Quote
chris olivarez Posted April 28, 2004 Report Posted April 28, 2004 The early consensus seems to be that the bolts got the better of the deal not qb for qb but for everything the Giants had to give up to get Manning.We'll see. Quote
rachel Posted April 28, 2004 Report Posted April 28, 2004 MAN!! A lady who knows her football. Well.... Conn~ I'm blushing. Aren't you married, BTW? Quote
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