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So, when I want a whistle for soccer practice I should use a dog whistle even though the kids can't hear it? I mean, why not go as far as possible? I guess, to me, if the improvement is inaudible it isn't the least we can do, it's literally nothing...

Thanks Guy, BruceH, etc... I ordered both discs yesterday

This is the recommendations forum isn't it? Sorry that we weren't all born with innate jazz knowledge like you apparently were, so we can magically know just what music to listen to. Especially with an artist like Monk who has so few releases, right? Damned if you do, damned if you don't in this place sometimes.

I'm with you on that one. It's amazing how many "golden ears" I've known who talk the talk but can't distinguish lossless from even LAME alt-preset standard rips, not to mention even higher quality rips. It's incredibly rare to be able to distinguish-- in a real test environment-- APS rips from lossless... APX almost unheard of. Some of these folks had just never heard well-encoded mp3s, most of them were just mislead by the placebo effect and their addiction to hi-fi gear (and the need to justify their addiction) and had never tried ABX tests. In my experience, good ABX tests pretty quickly separate the real thing from those who just fancifully wish they were. I'm OK with discovering that my own golden ears were mostly an illusion-- I spend a lot more money on music that formerly would have gone to equipment

Well, having lived in Alaska a long time and having a job that keeps me travelling to just about every area, it's a great place to visit-- but you prob don't want to live here. A lot of people don't understand the size and diversity of this place-- everything from arctic tundra to northern rain forest, the bleakest to the richest vistas. It's 360 miles from Fairbanks (second biggest with about 80,000 people) to Anchorage (biggest with 300k-- about half of the entire state's population) and that little section of road (which goes through Denali Park, incidentally) is a tiny little bit at the south-central of the map... I've round-tripped that road just to get some good sushi, not to mention seeing live music

Scary? I think you mean craptacular!!

That's the one! Your questions has become my own since I just found out that this was recorded just a few days before Golden Circle, which I don't have and is now my next Ornette purchase... Personnel: Ornette Coleman: alto sax, trumpet, violin David Izenzon: double bass Charles Moffett: drums

OK, so where's that embarrassed blushing smiley? Oh there...

There's an All About Jazz article about the Miles in Berlin cd that tells a story about "Frank Butz"-- a saxophone player who only played on the first track and then was called from the stage by the police. The whole article reads in a bizarre way: http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/article.php?id=21078 Is there any truth to this? Does "Frank Butz" exist? Does he appear on any of the tracks? The only reference I can find through Googling to Frank Butz is in this article... if it is true-- what happened to Frank?

Is there any way to: search for phrases (the standard "search phrase here" doesn't seem to work) search and require all words be found (term1 AND term2 ANd term3 doesn't work) Org is such a vast reservoir of information-- refining my searches would really help

What do you you all think of Ornette Coleman's _Falling Star_ album? I like it-- I like that it's daring and so individual in terms of Ornette's playing... What else of this period is a good listen?

Here is what I have... what should I get next? 5 by Monk by 5 Alone In San Francisco At Carnegie Hall (with John Coltrane) Genius of Modern Music (Volume 1) Genius of Modern Music (Volume 2) Live at the Five Spot (Featuring John Coltrane) Live at the It Club - Complete (Disc 1) Live at the It Club - Complete (Disc 2) Monk Plays Duke Ellington Solo Monk The Thelonious Monk Orchestra at Town Hall Thelonious Monk and Sonny Rollins Underground [bonus Tracks]

Well, everyone seems down on the BN recordings, but I enjoy "Redd's Blues" quite a bit myself...

I guess it really is true that the vitriol get higher as the stakes get smaller! I know it's crazy to think that-- with all the forces conspiring (consciously and not) to gut jazz of any vitality-- we could all just get along... but it would be nice to keep the obvious mischaracterizations and ad hominems to a minimum. I think it's cool that Scott Yanow does what he does. Having and using guides doesn't mean one isn't doing their own listening or thinking... glad to see that Chuck Nessa agrees. Look, the world of jazz is vast and gets larger with every passing year... and my ability to find and afford recordings-- not to mention time to listen to them-- is small. I am often confronted with making choices of what to purchase relatively blindly: things I haven't heard, relationships I don't know about, etc. Yanow's style of criticism as I understand it (from AMG and a few books) is very helpful. Not because he listens for me or because I will agree, but it helps me negotiate a path. That's a good thing. This does nothing to take away from long form, in-depth, criticism and exploration of other kinds. That's invaluable too. That I like chicken one day doesn't take away from my liking steak. It's not a zero-sum game unless we make it so. I'm glad all these incredibly knowledgeable folks are participating here. I'm really glad they don't all agree! (Oh, and posting private e-mail, no matter the kind of content, is a pretty crappy thing to do. Doesn't mean I don't agree with the negative characterizations of the email, but posting private words to a public forum intrinsically says a lot more negatively about that poster than the originator of the email.)

My son, who has generally no interest in jazz, heard me playing Lou Donaldon's Blue Breakbeats the other day and his ears perked up. He wants to hear more like that. Which direction should I send him? FWIW, the other jazz album he still likes is Freddie Hubbard's Red Clay...

I'm in San Francisco next week, Tue-Sun... Sat night will be Ornette Coleman, I think. But the other days are free and I'm finding a lot of stuff going on searching the web, but not sure what else to see... Any recommendations? I'll be at the Westin near the bridge, but willing to travel thanks!!

I happen to be in Denver for the next week or so-- anything going on tomorrow (June 18) or the next weekend (thu/fri/sat)? If nothing else, I'll check out David "Fathead" Newman at Dazzle-- hopefully there's seating available at a bar/lounge (hate having the table alone!) I'm not averse to driving a couple of hours if there's anything interesting in the vicinity...

I don't buy the racial explanations, personally. Vonzell is incredibly generic-- turn on the radio and you hear a hundred singers just like her, black and white. Bo is generic too, but his style has been bounced out of the top 40 for quite a while, I'm all for seeing it come back and replace some of the current tripe. If I voted, I'd vote for him just because. The real shock to me is that Carrie "Can't Sing a Note" is still in there. What's the story with that? I've yet to hear her *not* butcher a song...

If that's what you are expecting them to be, then you're bound to be disappointed. If that's what you think THEY think they are, then you have no clue what you're talking about. Green Day is pop-punk, one of the earliest bands in the so-called punk revival, which actually has little to do with what punk music used to be, though it's clearly descended from such. Sellout implies that they could have done something different or better-- I doubt it. I listen to them expecting pop-punk party music and am not generally disappointed, particularly with their first few albums and the last. There's often something redeeming about one of their tunes, which I personally can't say for their boy-band, teen diva, and pimpin-ho rap competition...

It was a joke, man, because I had just come from the endless Stevie Wonder thread. But hey, why don't you tell me how you REALLY feel? I never claimed Green Day was even great punk. I said they had some good pop-punk tunes that I enjoy when I want non-demanding listening. And I DO listen to Black Flag (not a big Minute Man fan). For that matter although I've heard at least two Linkin Park songs I liked, I'm not elevating them into the canon. You don't like Green Day or Linkin Park, then I feel for you-- cause you must have to hear them every day. Me, I'm just lucky I guess! Some people live in a strange binary universe where you have to exclude one artist to like another. If you enjoy the Ramones or the Sex Pistols, then you have to piss on a band like Green Day-- it's twisted (and funny to watch them get their panties bunched up over it). Of course some people just like to rail against something that's popular in an attempt to elevate themselves and their exquisite taste (me, I like what I like, from Lee Morgan to Coldplay, from Monk and Mingus to Audioslave, and feel lucky that there are so many things that are able to provide so many different kinds of listening pleasure. I feel bad for those who've been closed off to it). Until shown otherwise, I'll just attribute both those exclusionary tendencies to some strange limitation in psychic RAM that I'm happy hasn't struck me yet.

Kalo, you are making WAY too much sense for this place

No, you're describing dancing *in* architecture. Speaking of floating quotes, the "frozen music" quote is attributed, variously, to Goethe, Schlegel, and Schelling. The latter is correct. Dancing about architecture is of uncertain lineage. The earliest confirmed citation I've seen actually IS martin mull (in OUI magazine . Though I've seen it attributed to Elvis Costello, Noam Chomsky, and TS Monk amongs many others. It's no wonder, it refers to a very commonly held perception.

'According to that other thread you must be thinking of Stevie Wonder (ducking)

The PIECE is misleading. I labelled the thread in accordance with the article.

They've just been over-promoted. They have a few songs I've liked, particularly on their first album. Green Day's new singles are overplayed, but do mark a nice return to a good, pop-punk form which I enjoy when I want some undemanding music to listen to. I rarely listen to the radio or anyone else's music so I have the luxury of not being beat over the head with tunes and having them ruined for me