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CJ Shearn

how many BN CD's have silver/black label sides?

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how many BN discs have silver/black labels instead of silver/blue or white/blue? I received the Morgan Lighthouse set today and noticed the discs being silver/black instead of the more familiar above color schemes, think it's kinda cool. The discs were also playing side up in the case but I fixed that

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I don't have any number, but I remember that some of the Rare Groove series were like this.

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Yes, I know Patton's "memphis to ny spirit" is like that....

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Freddie Hubbard's Ready for Freddie has the black/silver label (or at least my disc does). Also, Donald Byrd's Electric Byrd.

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kazak, your copy of "Ready" has a black/silver label? interesting. Mine is the regular, blue/white label. The Lighthouse set isn't an elecxtric release per se so it's unique it has the different labeling. almost reminds me of how some) 70's BN LP's had the black label w/ blue slice or (my personal favorite) deep blue label with black or white "b".

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*Some* record club pressings had the black instead of blue, so my copy of Charlie Parker at Storyville has the black and silver, but my copy of Cannonball Somethin' Else is blue. Both are marked as from BMG. I know Ready for Freddie was in a record club long after it was supposedly out of print (as a connoisseur) - check the catalog number.

A non-BMG black and silver one is my copy of 3 Sounds - It Club v.1 (but not v.2)

Mike

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Are these anomalies perhaps or just a way to distinguish between club and non-club pressings (i.e. the real thing). The only differences I was aware of was the silver and blue for cd for pre-90/91 and the better well known blue/white of post 91, which in my book is a useful cut off point for signaling better sound.

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well, my Lighthouse is straight from CD Universe. Generally that's true the post '91 discs mark better sound. wonder why they chose the silver/black for some discs. must be for artistic reasons.

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M. Fitzgerald is correct. Printed in small type on the back cover of my Ready for Freddie cd is "Manufactured by Columbia House...". I bought the cd on e-bay and never noticed this until this post. Thanks for clearing that one up Mike.

My Live at the It Club V.1 and Electric Byrd, both non-record club purchases, are silver/black.

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My Ready for Freddie is a BN pressing and is Black/Silver.

While Black and Siver now seems to have become the unoffcial look of the Rare Groove series (of which there are a number of earlier Blue and White issues), someone had asked this question over at Blue Note. By chance, this thread is active on the link that Swinging Swede posted in another forum, so I cut and pasted. Look for Kevin Bresnahan's first post in the thread (bolded by me). It contains a comment made to him by Tom Evered about the colors:

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baysideuph

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posted January 16, 2002 07:07 PM

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Could Some one please tell me,

The different colors of disks like Black-silver,blue-silver,blue-white. Is there any meaning behind this.

Thanks bayside

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posted January 16, 2002 08:35 PM

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And what about Greg Osby's "Further Ado" - it's... ... ... ...ORANGE!!!!!

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posted January 16, 2002 08:42 PM

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Yeah...so is Joe Lovano's RUSH HOUR.

I haven't figured out any particular pattern to the colors, EXCEPT that there is a tendency to have white and black used for stuff that BN reissues that was not originally released on BN (e.g. on recently reissued United Artists dates like JAZZ ALIVE and BENNY GOLSON AND THE PHILADELPHIANS). And some (all?) of the Rare Grooves I think also used black instead of the "usual" blue, sometimes with silver and sometimes with white.

And earlier BN "regular" reissues (from the mid- to late-80's) - tended to have blue paint on a regular silver background (no white). I think that scheme has been pretty much been abandoned.

The blue and white paint seems most prominent...used for the Connoisseurs, RVG's, and some other reissues.

Anyone else come up with other takes on "cracking the code" of BN CD paint colors?

Another observation - it seems BN changes fonts (on the CD itself especially) like most people change socks...almost daily.

[ January 16, 2002: Message edited by: Tony Jerant ]

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posted January 16, 2002 08:50 PM

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To add to the fun, all of the Collector's Choice titles had white tray cards...

You know if you play side one of A New Perspective it syncs up perfectly with the last segment of 2001...

[ January 16, 2002: Message edited by: Shawn ]

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posted January 16, 2002 10:04 PM

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I thought everyone was talking about the bottom of the disc.

The bottom of the disc's on my Hot Jazz on Blue Note set look all grey and funny looking. I have had the set since it came out. When I pulled the set out the other day to see if the sound was different than the stuff on the mosaic's and it wouldn't even play through!

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posted January 17, 2002 05:07 AM

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Lucky, if the read side of the CD is all gray and funny looking, you probably got CD-Rs or, more likely, CD-RWs! CD-RWs look gray and chances are would be a likely candidate to stop playing over time, particularly if your storage area gets warm. Where and when did you buy it? Maybe it was a store that re-wrapped returns? I know Tower does this.

BTW, I once asked tomatbluenote about these color variations and he said there was no significance to it. He even said that it was probably just a graphics designer who got sick of blue! I asked him because I thought the Dexter Gordon "Live at the Keystone" CDs had the oddest color schemes. Pink & black, lime green & black and purple & black. Weird.

Later,

Kevin

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Lucky T

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posted January 17, 2002 06:00 AM

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They are definitely not CDR's.

I bought it at the Electric Fetus, it is a large record store in town.

It almost looks like the disc's are separating.

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posted January 17, 2002 07:20 AM

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Originally posted by Lucky T:

They are definitely not CDR's.

I bought it at the Electric Fetus, it is a large record store in town.

It almost looks like the disc's are separating.

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That's wild! Never heard of that or seen it in my day. Gray to me usually means CD-RW. Never seen a gray "plant manufactured" CD.

Later,

Kevin

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posted January 17, 2002 07:30 AM

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It was not grey when I bought it. I have had it for years and it has played fine until the most recent time I pulled it out to listen to it. The thing about it that is weird, is that all the disc's look all separated.

Hey Tom, is this some kind of defect you have heard about?

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posted January 17, 2002 10:25 AM

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The Dexter Gordon "The Squirrel" I once owned had that Gray/Green & Silver color...wasn't a cd-r.

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posted January 17, 2002 11:53 AM

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Hi All,

Just to add to the fun... the disk color of the TOCJ Blue Note Classics series (12 CD's of some of the earliest BN recordings, including Ammons, Lewis, Bechet, Hodes, Quebec, etc.) is PINK and BLACK!

I think I read somewhere that the original colors of the Blue Note label were actually pink and black... back when the Ammons/Lewis and Port of Harlem Jazzmen were issued. Anyone know if this is true???

Either way, these CD's are great... and I hope that BN here in the U.S. keeps on putting out these "classic" recordings, regardless of the disk color!

Cheers,

Shane

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By the way, my Nights at the Keystone discs are Tan/Black, Dark Blue/Black, and Violet/Black. Equally weird.

Edited by Ed Swinnich

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thanks Ed for the long and informative post. violet/black? April fools, right? if so, good one.

Edited by CJ Shearn

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thanks Ed for the long and informative post. violet/black? April fools, right? if so, good one.

No joke. It's violet and black.

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I had an original copy of Elvin Jones - Puttin' It Together from 1987, before the collectors choice series that was black/silver. It came directly from CEMA, Not a record club pressing. They must have run out of blue ink that day...

No rhyme or reason, just an oddity.

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Ed, could you scan and post that here?

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Is this set really that difficult to find? Starting bid of $299??? :blink:

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Well, in the 3CD Japanese TOCJ set of 'Nights at the Keystone' all the 3 CD's have the regular blue color scheme, as far as I recall. I was lucky enough to pick this up earlier this year at around $20, which I guess is a good price. Wonderful music, of course.

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I understand the black ones sound better. If you have one with an "ear" you are golden. :lol:

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I understand the black ones sound better. If you have one with an "ear" you are golden. :lol:

yeah, it has to do with how the warmth is distributed within your CD player, terribly technical all that, but bottomline is, it works.

need one of these I believe: :excited:

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thanks Ed. wow that is odd looking. BN must be revisiting theb trend of CD's with unusual color schemes: some of the recent RVG's have the white/pale blue, which seems to be mimicing the original LP label schemes instead of the white/dark blue that has been on many BN's.

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