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Monk + Giants of Jazz tour

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I was just thinking, do you think maybe Monk finally had enough of playing when he had to go on tour, with a different band, like not his quartet.  sonny stitt, kai winding, art blakey.....whats the deal with the giants of jazz tour.  did monk really want to do it

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I got quite a few records from that tour, the most famous is the Atlantic double album from London.

I must say that Monk plays fantastiallyc, and he does really interesting stuff on tunes that was written by Diz, like Tour de Force, Woodyn You etc.

It´s Diz´ compositions that seemed to appeal to Monks piano style. The chord progressions , you know.....

I don´t know if Monk was happy with that surroundings, he was really subdued during that time and had worn out like Bud had worn out a few years before.

Anyway it was too long a time with quartet surroundings with always the same tunes. So maybe it would have been a break , a new inspiration but Monk was really ill and eventually would retire.

But just from the musical point of view it´s great what he does behind the soloists, behind Diz, Kai, Sonny, and Blakey was his alltime favourite on drums.

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I remember that the buzz about the Atlantic record was that this was not the full potential of the group realized on record, but don't worry, one that did was in the can and on the way. I've kinda looked out for other dates that have come out, and I can't say that any of them really generated more energy or whatever than the Atlantic record did. so...huh.

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9 hours ago, chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez said:

I was just thinking, do you think maybe Monk finally had enough of playing when he had to go on tour, with a different band, like not his quartet.  sonny stitt, kai winding, art blakey.....whats the deal with the giants of jazz tour.  did monk really want to do it

I saw the Giants of Jazz in London. Jazz was at a particularly low ebb at the time audience-wise and my recollection is that for former leaders, like Monk and Blakey, keeping a group together was no longer economically viable. 

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4 hours ago, BillF said:

I saw the Giants of Jazz in London. Jazz was at a particularly low ebb at the time audience-wise and my recollection is that for former leaders, like Monk and Blakey, keeping a group together was no longer economically viable. 

That’s right. I don’t think those Blakey Prestiges and Roulettes got a release over here apart from ‘Gypsy Folk Tales’, which almost seemed like a comeback. The only Blakey releases I remember seeing around that time are the ones on Sonet (‘The Bop Session’ and ‘In Walked Sonny’). 

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2 hours ago, sidewinder said:

I don’t think those Blakey Prestiges and Roulettes got a release over here apart from ‘Gypsy Folk Tales’, which almost seemed like a comeback.

Wow, that's a drag. All three were good, and the two with Woody Shaw & Carter Jefferson were really good, imo, the last of the really "forward" Messengers albums (Keystone 3 being a notable exception!).

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did live jazz in general suffer from moving out of the clubs and onto the festivals.....i mean the fusion stuff comes off okay but like these allstar acoustic jazz mega shows like on youtube from the 80s n stuff,i just dont see how you can play acoustic jazz like that stadium-rock style, and really groove right, u see what im sayin

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I saw the band in London.  I don't recall it being particularly exciting.  My main recollection is that  Blakey, Winding and McKibbon came into the same pub we were in for a pre gig drink.  Didn't have the nerve to approach them.

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Anyway, Monk did his last solo and trio recordings in London . There are some fantastic things and it´s just inbelievable how he does tunes like "Trinkle Tinkle", a really hard tune anyway with stride piano in the left hand. Same with "Rootie Tootie". He still had it all on piano. There is a bad recorded example of Monk from 1975 where he really fumbles with the left hand . But this can be due to illness or some ailment.

The Giants were in Viena in 1972 but it was a year before I got mature enough to dig jazz. Two older friends of mine reported later that on this special occasion Diz had not arrived and was replaced by Cat Anderson and Clark Terry.

The Sonet "Bop Session" doesnt have Blakey and Monk, it´s 1975 and has Max Roach on drums and John Lewis and Hank Jones on piano, Sonny STitt on sax and Percy Heath on bass, so that´s something else than the Giants mentioned in this topic. But there is one (bootleg?) record of the Giants called "Bop Fathers".

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On 12/10/2017 at 5:56 PM, JSngry said:

Wow, that's a drag. All three were good, and the two with Woody Shaw & Carter Jefferson were really good, imo, the last of the really "forward" Messengers albums (Keystone 3 being a notable exception!).

Yep, I don’t recall anything Blakey-wise other than those low-profile Sonets plus an Atlantic reissue of the album with Monk prior to ‘Gypsy Folk Tales’, which came out on Pye (no doubt a deal with Mr Levy).

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