BFT 207 - Link & Discussion

[randyhersom]

And naming 10 pianists I haven't ruled out just for the heck of it:

Kenny Barron, Barry Harris, Hank Jones, George Wallington, Tommy Flanagan, John Hicks, Red Garland, Walter Norris, Mary Lou Williams, Hugh Lawson.

[Dub Modal]

12 hours ago, randyhersom said:

And naming 10 pianists I haven't ruled out just for the heck of it:

Kenny Barron, Barry Harris, Hank Jones, George Wallington, Tommy Flanagan, John Hicks, Red Garland, Walter Norris, Mary Lou Williams, Hugh Lawson.

13 hours ago, randyhersom said:

Known drummers oh identified tracks so far

2. Willie Jones

4. Don Moye

5. Sam Woodyard

6. JC Moses

7. Don Moye

8. Edward Vesala

11. Ben Riley

12. Shadow Wilson

13. Billy Drummond

14. Jon Christiensen

15. Luqman Ali

 

 

Damn that's a talented stable of artists. 

14 hours ago, Hot Ptah said:

I listened to #3 and I have no idea who it is. 

Oh man, for some reason I thought you'd get it. 

[tkeith]

On 6/2/2021 at 11:15 AM, felser said:

No surprise there.  Between him and Sangrey, not much gets by.

Blasphemy!  I'm not in THAT league, but thank you for the error.  #humbled

[Dub Modal]

All right, the drummer on #9 is Ben Riley. 

If you haven't read this interview from him over at Modern Drummer, I highly recommend it: https://www.moderndrummer.com/2011/11/ben-riely/

[JSngry]

6 minutes ago, tkeith said:

Blasphemy!  I'm not in THAT league, but thank you for the error.  #humbled

SO much gets by me...I have a wheelhouse or two, but outside of that...clueless, and happy to learn because of it.

[Dan Gould]

2 hours ago, tkeith said:

Blasphemy!  I'm not in THAT league, but thank you for the error.  #humbled

 

1 hour ago, JSngry said:

SO much gets by me...I have a wheelhouse or two, but outside of that...clueless, and happy to learn because of it.

You both bring skills that most of us wish we had, and in wider range than most of us could ever aspire to.

Even if Thom sometimes talks himself out of an ID or ... just .... can't ... quite ... get the track out of the recesses of his still-young mind. 

[randyhersom]

From Wikipedia Ben Riley discography, eliminating horn led dates

With Kenny Barron

• Innocence (Wolf, 1978)
• Golden Lotus (Muse, 1980 [1982])
• Imo Live (Whynot, 1982)
• Green Chimneys (Criss Cross Jazz, 1983)
• The Only One (Reservoir, 1990)
• Lemuria-Seascape (Candid, 1991)
• Live at Bradley's (EmArcy, 1996 [2001])
• Live at Bradley's II (Sunnyside, 1996 [2002])
• Minor Blues (Venus, 2009)

With Ray Bryant

• Live at Basin Street East (Sue, 1964)
• Cold Turkey (Sue, 1964)

With Red Garland

• Stepping Out (Galaxy, 1978)
• So Long Blues (Galaxy, 1979 [1981])
• Strike Up the Band (Galaxy, 1979 [1981])

With Andrew Hill

• Lift Every Voice (Blue Note, 1969)
• Shades (Soul Note, 1986)

With Hank Jones

• Bop Redux (Muse, 1977)

With Sam Jones

• Down Home (Riverside, 1962)

With Junior Mance

• Junior Mance Trio at the Village Vanguard (Jazzland, 1961)

With Jay McShann

• Some Blues (Chiaroscuro, 1993)

 

With Horace Tapscott

• Dissent or Descent (Nimbus West, 1984 [1998])

With Roseanna Vitro

• Listen Here (Texas Rose, 1984)

With Larry Willis

• A Tribute to Someone (AudioQuest, 1994)

I happen to know that Shazam and Soundcloud can't identify this track, so the actual recording may have eluded this discog.

Tough nut to crack!

I haven't been able to find a stream of the Ray Bryant live album to compare. Al the tracks on the two volumes of Kenny Barron Live at Bradley's are too long.  

[Dub Modal]

13 hours ago, randyhersom said:

From Wikipedia Ben Riley discography, eliminating horn led dates

With Kenny Barron

• Innocence (Wolf, 1978)
• Golden Lotus (Muse, 1980 [1982])
• Imo Live (Whynot, 1982)
• Green Chimneys (Criss Cross Jazz, 1983)
• The Only One (Reservoir, 1990)
• Lemuria-Seascape (Candid, 1991)
• Live at Bradley's (EmArcy, 1996 [2001])
• Live at Bradley's II (Sunnyside, 1996 [2002])
• Minor Blues (Venus, 2009)

With Ray Bryant

• Live at Basin Street East (Sue, 1964)
• Cold Turkey (Sue, 1964)

With Red Garland

• Stepping Out (Galaxy, 1978)
• So Long Blues (Galaxy, 1979 [1981])
• Strike Up the Band (Galaxy, 1979 [1981])

With Andrew Hill

• Lift Every Voice (Blue Note, 1969)
• Shades (Soul Note, 1986)

With Hank Jones

• Bop Redux (Muse, 1977)

With Sam Jones

• Down Home (Riverside, 1962)

With Junior Mance

• Junior Mance Trio at the Village Vanguard (Jazzland, 1961)

With Jay McShann

• Some Blues (Chiaroscuro, 1993)

 

With Horace Tapscott

• Dissent or Descent (Nimbus West, 1984 [1998])

With Roseanna Vitro

• Listen Here (Texas Rose, 1984)

With Larry Willis

• A Tribute to Someone (AudioQuest, 1994)

I happen to know that Shazam and Soundcloud can't identify this track, so the actual recording may have eluded this discog.

Tough nut to crack!

I haven't been able to find a stream of the Ray Bryant live album to compare. Al the tracks on the two volumes of Kenny Barron Live at Bradley's are too long.  

Basically a week away from the reveal so I'll tell you that while it's none of these, the bass player on track 9 is present somewhere among these albums. 

Also - how's that Red Garland Strike Up the Band record? It's never seen a reissue and the lineup looks interesting. 

[JSngry]

4 minutes ago, Dub Modal said:

Also - how's that Red Garland Strike Up the Band record? It's never seen a reissue and the lineup looks interesting. 

Not as frisky as you might expect, so adjust expectations accordingly and then there's some enjoyment to be had.

[Dub Modal]

6 minutes ago, JSngry said:

Not as frisky as you might expect, so adjust expectations accordingly and then there's some enjoyment to be had.

Interesting. Will try to find it streaming somewhere. I also have no Kenny Barron leader dates, but I love his playing. Need to remedy that. 

[JSngry]

11 minutes ago, Dub Modal said:

. I also have no Kenny Barron leader dates, but I love his playing. Need to remedy that. 

I have a fondness for the earlier Muse records, where he was playing with a lot of different forms and instrumentations. When he became a "piano trio guy"....always great playing, but not always the delight of surprise (for me). Still, one of the greats in the idiom, and he can always up the game of any record he's on, especially as an accompanisit.

[Dub Modal]

4 minutes ago, JSngry said:

I have a fondness for the earlier Muse records, where he was playing with a lot of different forms and instrumentations. When he became a "piano trio guy"....always great playing, but not always the delight of surprise (for me). Still, one of the greats in the idiom, and he can always up the game of any record he's on, especially as an accompanisit.

Looks like 32 Jazz got a hold of 2 of those for a collection. Then there's Lucifer with Bill Barron, which then connects with Barron's own Jazz Caper. Going to do some listening today...

[Dub Modal]

Reveal coming in a couple of days. In the meantime: 

[randyhersom]

Mary Lou?

Mary Lou!

[randyhersom]

Track 1 of this?

https://jdisc.columbia.edu/session/mary-lou-williams-june-20-1965

 

 

[randyhersom]

Forty Five Degree Angle appears on Black Christ of the Andes also, and it's the most strikingly different I've ever heard the same musician play the same composition.  Wow.  On Black Christ of the Andes its slow, stately and dignified, even as the drums do their part to energize things.   The live version with Gales and Riley is a sprightly bebop romp with dramatic moments.  It tooke me a full minute of back and forth comparing to convince myself it was the same composition.  Great find Dub Modal!

[randyhersom]

Denzil Best composition.

[randyhersom]

And Herbie Nichols recorded it too, for his Bethlehem album Love, Gloom, Cash, :Love.

 

[Dub Modal]

14 hours ago, randyhersom said:

Forty Five Degree Angle appears on Black Christ of the Andes also, and it's the most strikingly different I've ever heard the same musician play the same composition.  Wow.  On Black Christ of the Andes its slow, stately and dignified, even as the drums do their part to energize things.   The live version with Gales and Riley is a sprightly bebop romp with dramatic moments.  It tooke me a full minute of back and forth comparing to convince myself it was the same composition.  Great find Dub Modal!

That's it! 

Glad you enjoyed it and happy to see it was an intriguing enough mystery in this neck of the woods. I've got it on the Mosaic reissue of that piano workshop. I'll be posting the reveal hopefully before noon. Working on that now. 

[JSngry]

Randy must be a Canadian Mountie or something, he always gets his track!

Nicely played on all counts, inclusion and sleuthing alike. Glad to see (and hear) all of it.