yeah, my problem with Wynton is how damned middle class he is - this idea that if you listen to good music and educate yourself in the right way (shades of the Great Books curriculum, Chicago readers) you will become a good person because this is all so good for you - and good is, after all good - my feeling is that you listen to the stuff because it's great music, the hell with personal betterment. And as George Steiner pointed out some time ago, culture does not make one cultured, hence the Germans and their development of Mozart, Beethoven, Heine, etc - I'm sure Adolf and Eva spent many a quiet evening together listening to the Victrola -