AllenLowe

here's a recount - I am sitting with Hank in a restaraunt in NYC, ca. 1977, interviewing him. This is from memory, and I honestly do not remember how it came up, but here it is (and Jones confirmed this story on a later occassion): "Athur Miller was not nice to Marilyn Monroe. I played the piano when she sang happy birthday to President Kennedy in Madison Square Garden. Afterwards the three of us were in an elevator, myself, Monroe and Arthur Miller. She was very drunk and he slapped her. Hard." Hank is in his 50's, far from senile or delusional. As an added detail Al Haig was sitting with us when he made the comment, and Haig and I talked about it a few times afterwards. I really see no way that Jones can be mistaken about this. And it's not really all that shocking or surprising that Miller might continue to have contact with Monroe after the divorce or feel proprietary. That's show biz, as they say, and that's a not untypical male attitude - what likely triggered it was, married or not, her flirting witht he president - and their were real rumors about Monroes's affair with JFK -

it seems musicians love having their lives focused on when it looks good for 'em - and it's true that nobody's perfect, but it always seems easier for groups of males to ignore domestic abuse - just label it as PC and irrelevant to the art. Well, in many ways it IS irrelevant to the art - but if we talk about the lives, and what great people the artists are, it than becomes relevant. It's not trendy, it's honesty -and if Arthur Miller hit Marilyn Monroe (as he did), as Roach beat Abby Lincoln, and as Miles beat Betty Davis (all of which is absolutley true) - than what do we do? Pretend it's just a small part of their day? After all, we sure enjoy listening to the CDs -in that case, let's not forget to mention that Hitler was nice to Eva Braun and I have a very nice painting of his that I can sell you -

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well, there's no nice way of saying this - screw the kids, they've got plenty of outlets and they're kids, after all, and don't know as much as we grownups - let's not forget what they did on their own in Lord of the Flies, when they had the chance -

Isn't he also on one of the Max Roach/Candids?

that's nice - but I prefer to accept my tribute in cash -

there's also one up in Montana - but he's a Baptist -

he figures quick prominently in David Amram's autobiography -

actually, I wasn't really acting the troll - apparently, the troll wants to evoke an angry, scattershot response. I want everyone to say: Allen, we see the light and do humbly agree with you.

the bell trolls for me...

no, I think it's a different Larry Kart - the one from St. Louis -

I'm sorry I missed the idiott festivall. When shall next year's festival commmmence?

well, as Tom Waits once said, I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy - of course, with OP I'm uncertain -

youy know it's weird - but I hate that damned instrument - I love the older players, and Lacy, Bechet, etc - but I cannot listen to the instrument post-1970 no matter who's playing it or how well it's played. I'm not defending myself, as a matter of fact I throw myself on the mercy of the organissimo body, but it's come to be like the jazz flute for me - I hear it and go on to the next cut - anybody else like me here?

well, I only drink when I'm alone or with someone else -

just to let everyone know - I believe I have shipped all orders, as of yesterday - I did get a little confused as some orders I shipped out in advance and some I did not - my apologies in advance; if you do not get your Percy Franc CD by, say, next Monday (and it should be sooner as everything went out first class) - shoot me an email at alowe@maine.rr.com - thanks!

well, I hate to let this thread die, when there's so much money at stake -

just to add, I actually don't think Byas sounds that modern on those early Dizzy Recordings - he plays great, but is clearly from another generation - the tenor in those years is largely caught as an in-between instrument stylistically, thinking also early Gene Ammons with Dizzy's big band. Than there's Don Lanphere with Fats Navarro, more purely modern sides (maybe 1948) - and at this point we have Moody and Sonny R. - hey other old guys out there, are there any other early modern tenors I'm missing (also maybe Ray Abrams) -

well, I think you're reversing cause and effect - I think the Byas we're hearing in 1944-1946 is, at this stage, reacting to the boppers - hence the slight modernization of his sound. Lucky Thompson also first recorded early 40s (I think, or maybe 1939), with Jonah Jones (Commordore I think) and he is also, at this point, primarily a swing tenor, but than a few years later is changed by the modernists - but neither was, out of the gate, a modernist. If we had to pick one, I would say Dexter Gordon, though (and I don't want to start a separate fire storm here) I never found his playing very compelling at any period - given the Savoy recordings, maybe the first bebop tenor player was Bird -

well, I really would not call him a bebopper at this time, but someone who had effected and was effected by beboppers - better to look to Moody or Dexter Gordon or Sonny R. for early beboppers. Byas's tone and rhythm and associations (and repertoire) really hold him apart. And by the way I don't think that Byas/Webster album is really all that good. Webster sounds tired and Byas sounds tense -

I hope all this new publicity doesn't go to his head -

Actually it's not the first time; he used to co-host a children's show, Saturday mornings, with his mother Moms Mobley -

HANK AARON HANK THOMPSON HANK KINGSLEY HANK HANK HANK HANK HANKERHANK WILLIAMS, HANK WILLIAMS JR. HANK WILLIAMS III I GOT A HANKERING FOR HANK HANKHANKS HANDKERCHIEF HANKIETOM HANKSHANKS TOMTOM HANKS HANKSTOMTHEHANKS ARE COMINGTHE HANKSARECOMING THE HANKSARECOMINGHANKENSACK

well, yes, if by second chair you mean everyone after Hawkins -

I think that Max's problem was not just substance abuse, thoug I'm sure that made it worse - as I believe he was clean when he was married to Lincoln -