David Ayers

So you guys think that Metheny has recorded Zorn compositions as a cynical exercise designed to sell more records? That seems wide of the mark to me.

I have known that CD for all of its now twenty years and I share your enthusiasm.

keep mentioning this one, I know the Big Noise Boy, the other Big Noise Boy, and a Hungarian bloke

Lucid Boulez interview from 1967: http://www.gramophone.co.uk/features/focus/90th-anniversary-interviews-pierre-boulez If he's anything he's consistent - this has been pretty much his program ever since. It's also evident from this how much he has always thought about audience and how much myth-making ('anti-audience' ' where's the melody' etc) has been done by people who prefer older music and haven't taken much interest in the last (now) 100 years. I have often found myself making the same point he makes here about the comparative expectations of the audiences of visual arts and music. What the recent BBC Proms performances of Boulez by Barenboim brought home was how recordings have made many Boulez pieces into old friends. Over time they settle down and the flutter of detail continues to entice when more apparently populist pieces have lost their interest.

I'm with Jim, spent a good chunk of time with it, then maybe I'll go back some time. If you want a resequencing or remix of the the best of the set, I'd suggest the final version of Jack Johnson is your best bet, because that's what it is supposed to be. To me not a set I'd play through more than a couple of times, though I do really like it.

Bowie really gives me the shits I'll read about it on wikipedia.

Bowie was and is a great musician. You can remember as much of his stuff probably as you can even of your own let alone anybody else's. But I was referring to Mike Garson's contribution to 'Aladdin Sane'.

Well, you will know the genesis of the Aladdin Sane piano part and if you don't you can read about it on wikipedia. Surely among the most memorable bursts of 'free' piano... oder nicht?

The argument FOR the RVG series is that it achieved a relaunch of the label that a simple 'newly remastered' sticker would not have done.The argument against may be that a lot of those RVGs made the music much less appealing, brought no life to it. I know some people have equipment that sorts this out, and I know that many of us here are fussy, but beyond the membership of this board I think this music was not done the best service in terms of keeping it alive. And yes Capuchin Swing was one of the worst. I was grateful for some, don't get me wrong, like the 50s titles which were an improvement, and it was great that the series relaunched so many titles. It's just that looking back now at 'what have we got' it isn't what it could have been.

I operate my own pricing policy. The cost of a CD is 10 UK pounds inclusive of shipping, or less. Anybody who wants more than that, I'm not buying. In-store, yes, I pay the asking price, because that is a service which costs more. I'd more-or-less stopped ordering from the US and I prefer to shop local for CD. Those rises are steep and will further damp down what used to be an enjoyable flea-market.

I can't access the LP right now. I may have got this idea from the Ornette discography inside the Artist's House LP. See here for a discography that seems to confirm this idea. http://cd-v.net/jazz/cover/coleman/paris.html I do remember having to skip about between LPs if I wanted to listen to one or the other concert. I'm copying in the info in case the link stops working. Paris Concert / Ornette Coleman: Trio PA7169 (2LPs) Paris, February 12, 1966 & November 1971 Ornette Coleman(as,tp,vln), David Izenzon(b), Charles Moffett(d), Dewey Redman(ts), Charlie Haden(b), Ed Blackwell(d) 1. Second Fiction 2. Summer-Thang 3. Sihouette 4. 14 Juillet (*) 5. Fantasy 77 6. Reminiscence (*) 7. All Day Affair (*) Note: (*) Izenzon, Moffett, February 12, 1966; Note: Redman, Haden, Blackwell, 1971, Only Japan Issued

There may be two concerts on that trio LP, can't remember. Doesn't it say on the LP?

Get out of the ghetto by writing commercially successful dramas and then go to a decent restaurant?

Works fine for me too

Maybe one from sony too.

Interestingly, some of the recordings seem to be licensed from Warner, and one I think from Harmonia Mundi.

http://www.mdt.co.uk/boulez-pierre-the-complete-works-deutsche-grammophon-13cds.html just saw this

Oh I know my Maneri's - mostly with bass and usually drums, IIRC... nice try, nice try...

I don't know if I can put into words how I see this one You know when you've been goosed.

I figured the Doug Carns might be the ones to have - so thanks, that's helpful. Should I get both? I think Infant Eyes is out and Spirit of the New Land is yet to come (there are more titles than are listed at the link I gave...)

Curious about these reissues - any recommendations? http://soundcolourvibration.com/2013/01/01/black-jazz-reissues/

The poor man's alternative might be the double Walk Love Sleep, the 2011 tentet only - going cheaply on amazon.co.uk http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sleep-Peter-Brotzmann-Chicago-Tentet/dp/B00A0HRQ6Y/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1362662915&sr=8-2

That's a very good one! Thirded.