Gheorghe

The foremost bop-trombonist and sure one of the 7 or 8 key figures of bop. Besides other recordings I´ll listen again to the Savoy-sides he made during the 40s.

I also have those two albums "Memorial Vol. 1 and 2" from Prestige (japanese edition with many alternative tracks especially from the first (1949) quartet session. And I especially like the tunes with Teddy Charles, that session with "The Man I Love". Some really really beautiful Gray I also can hear on a 1951 Boston date (live) with Parker (The Happy Bird). Gray is especially fine on that. "Lullaby in Rhythm" really knocked me out.

she looks nice. Anyway not "mint egy harcsa" (harcsa is the hungarian name for a big and quite ugly fish...something in the way like the american bullhead or catfish) . Üdv. Gheo

I don´t know exactly what you mean with "taps his drumstick 4 times in the be-bop fashion.....what´s that? I would have liked to ask Max what´s that supposed to tap his drumstick 4 times in the be-bop fashion..... Are you really sure you know what be-bop drummin´is like? And what´s that what Bud´s supposed to do while Diz "begin´s with a shift in rhythm and melody while Bud maintains the same melody an rhythm it started the number with?" Bud was "off" some times in his live but I doubt he wouldn´t response to some hip phrases by Diz in the same hip and quick manner. Too bad I can´t hear your tape, but even if you tell me how to play it, I can´t do it since I don´t have boxes attached to my PC so I couldn´t hear the shit. That´s bad, I think I know at least something about the music , especially if it´s about bop, but I´m a total dummy if it´s about modern manners to receive or to send files.... But even if your "review" doesn´t reveal much about the music, I´m really sure the tape is n o t from Massey Hall, I´d doubt even if it´s Bird, Diz, Bud etc. And as I told you on pm, and as @JohnL told you here: that Cole Porter tune was recorded by Bird only once, in 1954 on his last album. I´d say your file is mistitled. Whatever it is and from where it´s taken, be aware of the fact that a lot of bull.... is written even on album covers.

I heard that trio, w. Murray and Drake and it really knocked me out. I also noticed they had some Monk on their repertory, I remember a really fast "Evidence", and a very nice "Let´s Cool One" with Murray on bass clarinet. This must have been around 2004 if my memory´s right.

The only Henry Grimes date under his own name, that I know that was recorded before his more than 30 years hiatus is "The Call", on ESP.

Mr. Cam: This here is a topic about Hamp. You sure get more answers if you open your own topic . By the way,I got both volumes of the Massey Hall Concert, the Quintet of the Year and the Bud Powell Trio... Best regards. Gheo

that´s really a hip quote! Hamp was referring to all those Bootlegs, am I right?

I don´t know this one, but once I heard a record of Charles Brackeen with Don Cherry, Charlie Haden and Ed Blackwell. Brackeen sounded so much like Ornette, it was astonishing, even the compositions though it was Brackeen´s originals, sounded exactly like something written by Ornette.

I must get that DVD! @clifford_thornton: tape with Perry Robinson sure might sound good. What a coincidence...yesterday I listened to that ESP record Henry Grimes made with Perry Robbinson "The Call". Sure you know it, but just lets say I really enjoyed it. Listening to it I also thought that Perry Robinson and David Izenzon also would team up very well... @Niko: Piano trios...well don´t worry, I wouldn´t say piano-trio recordings are my fist choice. It´s just that I´m one of Bud´s most loyal fans and since they recorded him with too many trio-settings (I prefer it with other hornplayers involved), I got all those Bud recordings. But besides that, very little else piano trio. The Jakey Byard thing would be worth buying....

hi Niko! Sounds good to me from the personnel, like a dream combination. Further information about the music, please? Gheo

Such a great bass player! I think he was an ideal choice for Ornette Coleman. They really played some great stuff together, and like Charlie Haden he really had the knowledge and that telepathic sense to play Ornette´s music, maybe even more than Charlie Haden, or how do you think about it? I´m really impressed by the way he quickly changes from pizzicato to arco-passages and his arco playing (bowing) shows an immense knowledge of the instrument. I think he was a very technical bass player also. I don´t know very much about his whereabouts after his tenure with Ornette Coleman, only that he played at Coltrane´s funeral and with a string of new thing players like Shepp, Sam Rivers, but very little else. It´s reported he was much more into teaching during his later years, but died very early, suffering a heart attack while running after a guy who had tried to steal his car, or something like that. I think, during his short playing career he had found something like the secret key to really play Ornette´s music as spontanously as it´s supposed to be, he´s also particularly great on those tunes where Ornette is playing the fiddle, which some people hate but makes sense to me, especially when both Ornette and David are on it....

I don´t know that special recording, but it´s very possible it was "Move", since Hamp during the late forties , like other masters of the swing era tried out some bop players also. Fats Navarro played with Hamp, Mingus contributed his "Mingus Fingers", so it might be natural, that the band also included some of that stuff. Anyway, Hamp himself was great in quoting other tunes during his solos....

Well, now I must think what might be the point: If I´d like to sit in as a player, or just be there, listening. As part of the audience, I would have liked to be in, when Bird, Fats, and Bud, with Curley Russell and Art Blakey played at Birdland in 1950. Or the Tadd Dameron group at Royal Roost. About playing myself: I once saw Jackie McLean, Bobby Hutcherson, Herbie Lewis and Billy Higgins together on stage. A pianoless group, the greatest I ever saw. A good piano was also on stage. Though I must say they played so much music, wasn´t need of a piano, but nevertheless if I´ve had a wish free, I would have liked to be part of it on piano. The tunes fitted to those I know (Blue´n Boogie, Star Eyes, What´s New, Salt Peanuts) and it would have been a gas to do my Bud thing on Salt Peanuts.... But it´s good that such things don´t happen. I have to much respect for the music to sit in, even if I could maybe, but musicians is one thing and music lovers is another thing....

oh yes! Finally I got it....

Oh thank you for that information! Then, please what can I do to have it as my avatar also? best wishes. Gheo

Hi! I´d also like to ask you something: I got my avatar recently, it´s on my profile, but why can´t I see it (like on other users) when writing a topic or an answer on the forum?

Anyway it is more something like a collection from various dates. I would have preferred a whole session with both of them involved. Of course we have "Homecoming" from 1976", but for some reasons I´m not so fond of that album. Later, both Dexter and Woddy where under contract by Elektra Musician. that´s where Dexter made his last studio recording in 1982. I remember in spring 1983 a new album of Dexter with Woddy Shaw was announced, but for some reasons it never happened. During the same time (1983), Dexter, Woody Shaw and Johnny Griffin played on a concert in Vienna, each with his own group. It was announced that at the end they will perform together, but for reasons I don´t know it didn´t happen. Johnny was first, then Woody with his group with (Mulgrew Miller, Steve Turré ) followed, and then Dexter. After Dexter´s set, it was over...., the Elektra Musician album that was scheduled for spring 1983 didn´t happen and if I remember right, even the label disappeard..

I´ll miss him very much. His music meant so much to me. One of the very greatest trumpet players ever. I was aware his active period has been over for quite some time, but still I was happy he´s alive. Earlier that year Johnny Griffin, now Freddie Hubbard, last year Jackie McLean. So many greats that left us...

Hi Leafgreen, welcome here! About the Black Lion label......, well I doubt there´s a complete list. Much of the stuff was periodically re-issued in Japan, since the japanese are huge collectors of everything that´s historic and got that be-bop sound. I remember when I was young, I really tried hard to purchase a lot of LPs from that label, since the artists (Bud, Dexter, Don Byas etc.) appealed to me and still do. Even then it was very very hard to find albums, even if they where in a cataloge, record dealers over here in Europe told me they are out of print. Eventually I got Bud Powell´s "The Invisible Cage", "Strictly Confidential" and "Hot House (with Johnny Griffin). Also "Hawk in Germany (actually Bud Powell trio with Hawk added on the second half of the album, sometimes the album is called "Essen Festival All Stars"). I also liked very much Dexter´s album from 1967 from the Montmatre, with Kenny Drew on it (especially the fast version of "Like Someone in Love"), or Don Byas´ "Anthropology", with Byas playing bop-standards. I also had the Monk sessions from London 1971. Yes, this was really beautiful stuff, mostly Americans in Europe, quite the stuff I used to hear live when that music still was happening, and Europe was a good place of african-american artists to work or even to live.... I also would like to re-buy all that stuff on CD

Really one of the great trumpet players. I love everything he did, from the great 1946 sides with Fats, Sonny, Bud, Klook, his tenure with Mr. B., his playing with Bird, with Monk in 1952 and above all, when he together with Hank Mobley formed the front line of the Messengers. I really love his BN albums "Afro Cuban", "Round Midnight at the Bohemia", "Una Mas" etc. and his many sessions with Joe Henderson. It´s too bad he stopped recording after 1964.

Bud Powell´s "A Portrait Of Thelonious", from late 1961, recorded in Paris has applause on it, but actually is a studio-recording.

Yes, Bud liked that tune and played it very often in Europe, many recorded versions like those from Sweden, Denmark, France. Besides the mentioned 1963 version from the Dexter Gordon date he also recorded it in the studio in 1964 (Blues for Bouffemont is the title of the album, other issues "The Invisible Cage"). During his extended Birdland engagement he played it in the same manner, I especially love the version from "Award At Birdland".... Sometimes I play the tune myself. My wife likes it, the way the tune sounds and I play it just for us two....

I also was quite astonished when I first heard that album and after the first bar recognized "I Can´t Believe...." as Bud´s composition "Buttercup". Here it has a fine stride-section. Of course I know Bud´s 1st recording of the tune (on Bud Powell Moods from 1954). Later, during his Europe-stay, Bud played the tune very often. A very fine version is on the Xanadu album "Bud in Paris". What do you think about the version of "Like Someone in Love" from "Ups ´n Downs". The intro is just like all versions of Bud playing that tune, but the stride is quite strange. Usually Bud played that tune with some really strong block-chords.

thank you!