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I have seen that cover often but I must admit it seemed I missed that when it was out. Was that in the late 70´s. I think I missed it than, since I didn´t buy albums with different musicians (I had a sampler-phobia) but this is not really a sampler. Okay, it must be nice. I´d be curious how Sadik Hakim sounds playing "Bird", since on the sides he plays with Bird he sounds very "stiff". I made the same mistake when I was looking for some Ornette Coleman that I didn´t have, and O.C. records were quite rare, and the dealer showed me a Charlie Haden album "The golden Number", and I didn´t buy it, because O.C. was only on part of it......now I´m sorry I didn´t buy it.
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Reminds me of something: My wife (Serena) gave it to me for Chrismas) !
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The mentioned Mobley albums are the best and I have all of them and LISTEN to them. On the other hand, from the many many 50´s albums, I don´t listen so regularly to all of them, same with the post 1963 albums, I listen to "Dippin Inn" which is one of the best of that later period, but if I say "today I´m in the mood for an hour of Mobley, it´s mostly Soul Station or the other four mentioned. And maybe Mobley was not really into religion, Maybe when he was not playing he was after dope, like many of his generation....., and maybe he just penned out a tune and gave it a title since he thought it sounds like some church music, or maybe Alfred Lion asked him to do something "with a churchy, groovie beat" (as Lion said in his german-english : yes , dot schwings). and not knowing how Baptists or other religions sound as music, he gave it that title.
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In my school time, this one was the thing. I bought it and many came to my place to listen to it and we all love it.
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A fantastic drummer and many here will know that the kind a drummer plays is most important for me. He is on many of my favourite albums. Many of them on BN from the 60s. Fantastic ! The funny thing ist, as a highschool boy first I didn´t know his name (don´t forget most BN was OOP then and most of the LA-2LP series were older stuff. So the very FIRST time I saw his name and HEARD him was on Charlie Ratzer "In Search of the Ghost". Charlie Ratzer (here "Karl") is my favourite austrian star on guitar and in the 70´s he worked in the States and had came back to Austria in the late 70´s (I even had some occasions to play with him then). So my first listening of Joe Chambers on drums was on that Charlie Ratzer album with some of the hottest NY players of that time.... By the way, if I remember right, Joe Chambers is also on Mingus´ "Three Worlds of Drums", kinda heaven on earth for me as a drums-lover....Richmond, Gadd, Chambers....right ?
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I also heard some Mr. B from the time after the famous band, but my favourites always have been the Savoy stuff "Mr. B. and the Band" . From later albums I always missed that fantastic sound and arrangements. Like, when I heard "Billy and Sarah" and a friends place: Fantastic voices as always, but the band sounds more like a "show band" than a jazz big band. Like that Charlie Parker album with "Temptation" on it.....somehow like an early 50´s movie .... But Mr. B. always was my favourite singer. I would have liked to do a gig with a good male singer here , but there are much more female singer students with the usual standard program. Would have been nice to play a bop gig with an Eckstine- or Kenny Hagood style singer.
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I love it. When I was a teenager, there was a Musidisc LP that had some of the tracks of this one. This seems to be quite a complete collection of the diverse broadcasts of the band in 1948. Only that they omitted the two beautiful vocal features of Kenny Haggood (Pennies from Heaven, and The Kitchenette across the Hall). The band with Allen Eager is wonderful, They are a fantastic band and sound great. And Tadd Dameron also plays some very fine solos. When was it recorded, it must be quite old if Kenny Dorham was still alive. I have another Parker Memorial from 1965, on which J.J. Johnson has a pseudonym C.C. Siegel, and it also has Coleman Hawkins on it. It was at Carnegie Hall 1965. Bud Powell was also on schedule, but played solo which is not on this record, but on another record. I had hoped that he plays with the band, he would have fitted better in it than Billy Taylor....
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if we are already in 81,82, will there be also the first two Miles-Comback albums included. I mean, at least over here, 1981,82 that was one of the main discussions, and I liked We Want Miles, since it is live and a touring group that sounded exiting. From the 3 mentioned I only know the Word of Mouth, since it was very much spinned and discussed over here. Woody Shaw, thanks God got the attention he deserved in the early 80´s with that dream band with Mulgrew Miller, Stafford James and Tony Reedus..... , I am glad I saw him live when he was at the peak of his power.
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I saw the whole video, I think it was a DVD that combined this old concert and a newer one from 1987.
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Cape Verdean Blues is a very fine album. As Song For my Father, though on my RVG of "Song" there are to many alternative tracks with some short numbers, that didn´t seem to be very interesant for me. By the way, my wife and me have been 2 times in Cabo Verde. Especially the first time (1998) there was not so much tourism and you had touch with the original population, and of course with the music. You heard it anywhere. And I was astonished how similar the themes are to those of Horace Silver. Really fine music. The second time, 10 years later there were to many hotels and private houses of foreigners, and we had difficulties to recognize places and streets, that we had remembered from 1998.
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I knew the tunes only because once a sax player wanted to play it, he had sheets for Jody Grind, Nutville and Peace (which a knew anyway) . But I didn´t have the album. I´m no completist, but is it possible that this one was not reissued on that RVG series ?
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Here is some fantastic solos of Chambers, bowed on Ornithology and Groovin High and pizzicato on Dance of the Infidels. What a great group. Maybe the ideal choice for alto might have been Jackie McLean in that context (all BN stars with the exception of Phil Woods), but maybe Jackie McLean didn´t have a carbaret card at that time ?
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This one , and a few others from BN. I´m not a Silver completist but some key albums I have. "The Stylings of Silver" is also very fine. Yes, the Mythic Sound CDs. But I have not listend to them for long time. This one is half solo in Paris, half trio in NY. The solo pieces, like many many of that kind that were recorded at Francis Paudras´ home and are not among the best Bud. The trio pieces ar better. At least, Bud plays the right Bridge on "Well You Neednt" and not the wrong one, that started with Miles on "Steamin" and is mostly played on sessions. Isn´t Bemsha Swing also on that ? Bud didn´t know it, he plays the wrong chords and is unsure and after one chorus
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@Eric: It started right from the beginning on. Woody said to Bolleman that he is a racist and if there are racists, Bolleman would be the last one to enter in that category. Woody was high on whatever substance and wouldn´t cooperate at all. And he was accopanied by a junkie woman who was completly crazy who put all the paper in the toilet and than let the water go and soon there was an inundation in the whole studio. Woody threw cigarette ends on the floor and after that session the studio was a shambles. But somehow they managed to record enough material for that album "Woody Shaw with the Tone Janșa Quartet. @Dub Modal Roney refused to talk to Bolleman in the studio, refused to listen if the sound was good, refused this, refused that, while the other musicians involved were very nice and cooperative. After the session there should be a photo of the whole group, and Rooney turned his back several times until the other musicians got him to the right position.
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How long before Poppin’ and JuJu are on cassette?
Gheorghe replied to Son-of-a-Weizen's topic in Miscellaneous Music
Casettes was a listening source of my youth in the 70´s. I taped jazz on radio, I taped borrowed LP´s if I didn´t have the money to buy them, other came to me and taped my LPs, we taped live performances, our one ones as well as other´s performances. Some smuggled a tape recorder into a concert, those guys made me copies of live performances of Miles 1973 in Berlin, Mingus, Dexter, but when the cassete recorder era died I didn´t take care of those cassetes for which I didn´t have use anymore. Only last year I bought a portable CD-USB-Cassette thing, mostly for listening to music in the garden on summer evenings, but when I wanted to spin my first performance with Allan Praskin from which a fan had made a tape, it was barely listenable, it had what I don´t know how you say in English (die Kassette eiert). So there are permanent changes of pitch and so on....., it was because I didn´t spin them back to the beginning when I didn´t listen to them . Or they had such an annyoing screamin torwards the end of a cassete, which made parts of the 2 Dexter cassetes of a performance from Vanguard at July 4th unenjoyable, because it´s especially on the ballads. The guy who recorded it, I don´t know how he managed to get into Vanguard and record two sets.......he was from Cehoslovacia. Maybe with some tip, that´s just a possibility because in Eastern Europe you gave tip for almost everything, sometimes it was coffee, sometimes it was Kent Cigarettes....., so maybe he brought some packs of Karlovy Váry wafers ..... -
Will he write a book about his father ? Once I heard rumours in that direction . On some of the more recently issued Woody Shaw performances he wrote the liner notes, he could tell a lot about the music and the live and surviving fellow musicians....
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This is a great book about stories in the studio. And some who were world stars, were very very articulate and cooperated in the studio, while I was astonished how stupid and childish others acted. I was really shocked about the story behind the Woody Shaw recording. Hubbard would have been nice and cooperative, if there had not been a latino percussionist who wanted to play trumpet also and kinda threated Hubbard.... Elvin Jones was super nice. Some artists who´s name I never heard, acted stupid, like the one who needs a strip tease dancer to perform, or that "trumpet player" who had his whole body bandaged like after a heavy accidence, and his saxophonist with his stinking feet....... terrible and disgusting to read this... I know that Wallace Rooney got lessons from Miles, but maybe he understood some of Miles talking the wrong way, since he "hated whithes" and would turn his back when they wanted to make a studio photo.... Miles, who was very controversial, would not do this....
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I can talk only about Adams-Pullen from the three that were mentioned. Earthbeams is a classic, like @Rabshakeh said. And I saw them live in 1980, a wonderful performance and the last time I saw Richmond live. He is one of my very favourite drummers. Sure they played "Double Arc ...." and they also played a seldom version of Pullen´s "Newcomer" that was recorded with Mingus on "Mingus Moves" And sure there was also an Adams blues shouting like the "Don´t use Control" (fine album cover)... I´m glad I saw so many performances
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Somehow "last dates" depress me a bit. The "last" I have is that Lee Morgan "Rajah" and Chambers sounds weaker than usual and even the bass doesn´t sound the same. Maybe he lost or selled a good instrument and got a cheaper one ? All those "last dates". I have some but don´t listen any more to them: Bird´s Cole Porter Songbook Diz´ early 1992 with 2 or 3 other trumpetists added Mingus with Hamp Bud´s "Up´s n´Downs" Ike Quebek´s "Soul Samba" Lester Young in Paris a few days before he died But Paul Chambers set a standard, and he had a sound that recorded well. Some of his contempraries on record still have a kind of "tinny" sound, but Pauls bass is a beautiful fat sound. It was the first "jazz" I heard (the tune Milestones from the same album). I had heard that, had heard the walking bass and this tune and sound started a live-long love affair with jazz).....
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Yes, the Mythic Sound CDs. But I have not listend to them for long time. This one is half solo in Paris, half trio in NY. The solo pieces, like many many of that kind that were recorded at Francis Paudras´ home and are not among the best Bud. The trio pieces ar better. At least, Bud plays the right Bridge on "Well You Neednt" and not the wrong one, that started with Miles on "Steamin" and is mostly played on sessions. Isn´t Bemsha Swing also on that ? Bud didn´t know the tune , he plays the wrong chords and is unsure and after one chorus he leaves it to the drummer. As for the NY Birdland performances, Bud is much better on Vol. 9 and 10 (Return to Birdland and Award at Birdland), but not everything of the later Bud Powell is good for learning the stuff....
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Though in the last few weeks I was listening much more to modal, free, fusion etc, yesterday for my daily hour of record listening I decided to go ALL the way back , to the days of bop. First I thought about some Fats or early Dex etc, but then I said to me better the Mr.B and the Band, since I love B´s voice very much. This together with the Spotlite "Together" is the stuff where you really hear the band. And those arrangements (Dameron) and chords combined with Mr. B, it´s wonderful. A friend of mine who already has passed , also liked this stuff very much, but later bought a lot of the more commercial sides, like that "Billy and Sarah again" , but the big band that plays sounds quite boring to me, kind of routine without a really "brand" like the old band or like "Thad Jones-Mel Lewis" or "TALT" .... So IMHO this is the best Mr.B for a musician who listens to the instrumentation too. And the solos of stars like Fats, Dex, Jug, KD and so on......, The way they interpretate ballads like "Cottage for Sale" "I´m in the Mood for Love" "Without a Song", and listen to the exiting bop stuff they make out of a simple thing like "Jitney Man" , "I like the Rhythm in a Riff" and also the instrumentals of bop classics like "Cool Breeze", "Oo Bop Sh Bam" and "2´nd Balcony Jumb". The last side is less interesting, it starts to change into those syrop string things that sounds like old films .....
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Thanks for your replies that I really appreciate ! I´m still mad I missed the live thing Chick did with Dave Liebman in 1978. I saw Lieb on 2 or 3 nights live when maybe he had a few days off. But it seems that that world tour were Lieb played with them, was not recorded ...... I would have liked to hear that......
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I saw the Barney Wilen-Bud-Pierre-Klook thing on a video and I think it is also on the Mythic Discs.... But they play it without that great intro. Just the tune, which anyway is the chords of "Woody´n You", so it was easy stuff for Bud (about whom I heard that in his last years he had difficulties to learn new tunes . But Bud with Paul Chambers was Heaven on Earth (Scene Changes) and the 1957 with Byrd and Phil Woods.... I heard that BN had planned a recordings session of Bud with Chambers and Roy Haynes while he played at Birdland in 1964, but it didn´t happen or was rejected. And Chambers visited Bud at his hotel..... too sad they didn´t work together again. John Ore was okay, but sometimes his solos sounded more like "exercises" that the horn like bass solos Paul did......., from hearing some of Bud returning to Birdland, I mean the good nights, I often wondered why they couldn´t give him the strenght and will to make a record with let´s say Donald Byrd, Jackie McLean, Chambers and Roy Haynes........ (not only trio there is too much trio and Bud was much more inspired on dates with a good horn player added....
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I´ve heard of those Bird Eyes and maybe saw a few of them, but maybe they were not very common here in Austria or in Europe. I wasn´t really a collector or completist. As a fan and musician I mostly "studied" the current available material, the master takes on Savoy and Dial, the really exiting live performances with Diz and others at Town Hall, Carnegie Hall, Birdland, Massey Hall. The Verve´s to a lesser amount. Bird and Diz was not as sharp and exiting as other meetings of them two, Swedish Schnapps is quite ok, but a lot of other stuff somehow bored me.... So I have not really every thing, but those who seemed to be relevant for me for studying and to learn about the bop style, Bird´s lines , the bop repertory etc.....
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