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Then I don't think it's particularly either, to be honest. John Cage: "I went to a concert at Town Hall. The composer whose works were being performed had provided program notes. One of those notes was to the effect that there is too much pain in the world. After the concert I was walking along with the composer and he was telling me how the performance had not been quite up to snuff. So I said, 'Well, I enjoyed the music, but I didn't agree with that program note about there being too much pain in the world.' He said, 'What? Don't you think there's too much?' I said, 'I think there's just the right amount.'" i agree that that Cage example is also another unfunny and unwitty quip. but it's soooooo zen. everything is as it should be, you know? go with the flow. like awesome dude... was there just the right amount of pain for Rodney King?

although i love that band to death, nothing much beyond Steal Your Face ever got me too excited. Reckoning was cool...

interesting thread and thoughts from folks here. but it seems to me like there's not enough focus. people who seem to be on the "conservative/traditional" side who argue against language "evolving" are widening the argument/topic wayyyyyy beyond what it seems to me the article's topic was in the OP: adding the occasional new word into the lexicon. that topic, imo, has basically nothing to do with using slang in a business situation, nor does it have anything to do w/ changing the "rules" of a language. words are added yet still adhere to the same rules as all the previous words in a language. if a rookie pitcher enters the game in the 8th inning he still has to throw over the plate. and as far as adjusting your language depending on your situation (business, family, late night hang, etc etc etc...), that's something everyone does all the time and it's somewhat simplistic to generalize about that. time and place. time and place man. different styles of speech are appropriate for different situations. and there's nothing wrong w/ that. but the article in the OP doesn't really have anything to do w/ situational language use or rules of grammar. it's about the occasional added word to a particular language's lexicon. personally, i'm w/ the guy who said earlier in the thread (don't remember who it was...) that the only languages that don't [gain new words occasionally], are DEAD languages. i know that may not be technically correct ('dead languages' are ones that are no longer spoken, right?), but i agree w/ what i think was meant. now if we want to get into meaning, oh boy, look out it's hard for me to believe that anyone here actually thinks that no new words should ever be added to English's general use for the rest of time. that would be rather prudish or, and i hate to use the word but i think it fits, stupid.

Everybody I've ever known who looks like that is at heart a "creative uses for canned mushroom soup" type person, and this article feels like that to me. Mind you, I have no objections to creative uses for canned mushroom soup! Best to stick to the cans. My link i'd say "Stay away from the cans!":

it's ok. just like everything else, language evolves. the article was no revelation. but this quote is, to me, suspect: 'Scholars recently analyzed more than five million digitized books, about 4 percent of all the books ever printed. Publishing their findings in "Science," the researchers discovered that, by their estimation, “52 percent of the English lexicon – the majority of the words used in English books – consists of lexical ‘dark matter’ undocumented in standard references.' am i reading that right? more than half of the words we read are "lexical dark matter," or neologisms? really? that seems a bit high to say the least.

I went through the same experience a few years ago. I'm fairly sure it was a mention here about the Gold Box being on sale that made me revisit it. I too hadn't seen it since it aired, and I had never seen most of the second season as I bailed on it thinking it was getting too silly. I ended up absolutely loving the the second season (and the 1st too of course). I agree with everything you say above, especially about the soap opera look at times. Which I suppose means I've had some experience with them to know what that looks like... :tup i actually haven't seen Fire Walk With Me yet!

watching this again for the first time since it originally aired: it completely blew my mind when i saw it back in the day, and i'm enjoying it almost as much now as i did then. but it's different than i remember. i've gone through 'bout the first 8 episodes or so (including the pilot of course) and it definitely has the regular "Lynchian" vibe going on that i remember feeling when it first aired. but i'm seeing other stuff i wasn't ready for or couldn't detect when i was younger. there's a huge "camp" element in there and a lot of comedy. also, there's a lot of staging/plot/dialogue/technical stuff that is very daytime soap. i feel like i'm returning to the first (only?) television avant-garde comedy/horror/soap mini-series. good stuff...

that makes total sense.

give it a spin!

you are most welcome NIS. of course i'm glad you enjoyed some of the music. couple things: Beirach is an interesting musician and i have an odd relationship to his playing. i LOVE the two solo piano recordings i have by him. they're real important to me. but a lot of his other stuff (group stuff, duos w/ Herwig, things with Leibman, sideman stuff, etc...) i don't always like. sometimes, but not often. so if you revisit the other LPs you have by him and don't get too excited, i'd say still try to get your hands on the solo piano recordings Sunday Songs and Self-Portraits. they're special. also: you say some stuff sounded familiar but was not. i say even if you hadn't heard some of this stuff before, it could still be familiar peace...

Yea!!! i hear you. i'm not crazy about everything i hear from him either, but when i do like him, for me he hits it outta the park. and this quartet he's playing w/ on this concert from youtube is about as good as it gets. i really think this group very... deep. they're diggin' deep and they arrive at some beautiful places. here's two more: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-rwYH_SJlU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwzKjgLcVig personally, i just do not tire of listening to these. amazing music.

Part 2: Track 8 – Rob Mazurek: “Quietly Sleeping” from: another one I thought someone might ID but maybe there aren’t as many “Chicago Scene” fanatics out there as I’d thought/hoped. Most of the rest of this particular recording is not much like this track. It’s some pretty difficult, idiosyncratic electro-acoustic improvised stuff. He’s one of my favorite creative experimental improvising artists. I came to him through Isotope 217, a group introduced to me by an old drummer friend. Track 9 – Richie Beirach: “Inamorata” from: solo piano recording of which about half are well known classical pieces which Beirach improvises over. This track, “Inamorata,” is a Beirach original. This album is my favorite solo piano recording ever. In my mind it’s a masterpiece. As is another solo piano recording of his, Self Portraits, though that recording is very different stylistically from this one… Track 10 – Fly Trio: “Emergence/Resurgence” from: three of my favorite modern players. I wouldn’t say this is an essential recording, but something about this track always intrigues me. It’s got a mystery to it, but at the same time it’s kind of calculating. The precision of the shifts, the musicality and the tachnique, just all so fine… Track 11 – Josh Abrams: “Background Beneath” from: anyone who has an interest in modern free playing and creative improvised music in general should buy this record. Amazing… Track 12 – Chris Potter: “Iroquois” from… I believe it’s unreleased. Here’s my source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6xnigsCEgU&feature=relmfu I did some digging around the internets and am pretty sure this is an unreleased original by Potter that this particular quartet played live. I found some article/review of a gig by this group where the reviewer mentioned them playing a tune called “Iroquois” and got a confirmation from the person who uploaded this video. Sound quality is pretty good and this is another one I thought someone might ID. This was my way of getting Kevin Hays into the BFT. Wonderful pianist. And the entire first half of this performance for me is magic. Potter’s beautiful intro, the wonderfully playful and kind of childlike head, the ascending line that starts at 1:38 and leads to the break, and then it comes around again. And then the free blowing exchanges (over time) between Potter and Hays where the melody is never too far away. Just so fine in my mind. And when the time breaks and Hays plays, he gets quite third stream for a moment… not unlike something Beirach might have played. But like what someone here I think mentioned earlier, I also would’ve liked if Potter had continued the tune on his soprano through the end. I think it’s character fit the tune better. But he’s Chris Potter. The other three vids on youtube from this concert are all fantastic as well. watch them. Track 13 – Sonny Rollins w/ Don Cherry: “You Are My Lucky Star” from: not much needs to be said here. Amazing music. Figured some folks would recognize it. I’ll admit that if I didn’t own this record I would likely not have recognized anything here except for maybe picking out Cherry… Track 14 – Allan Holdsworth: “Floppy Hat” from: I used to be a guitar player so I was immediately aware of Holdsworth’s genius from the first time I heard him as a kid. Whether you like his music or not is a separate issue – if you play guitar, you realize quickly how special this man is. Other open-minded (and “open-eared”) musicians realize it as well. I listened to this track many times a day for possibly as long as a few years from high school into early college. I put it on every mixed tape I made for friends. It’s burned deep into my consciousness and represents time and place for me. It’s also apparently a good stumper for a BFT...

Part One (this program only allow a certain amount of images per posting, so i have to split this into two separate posts...): Track 1 – Bruce Katz: “Boppin’ Out Of The Abyss” from: Figured there was a good chance no one would ID this one. But I also figured most would, for the most part, enjoy listening to it. I discovered Katz through the Ronnie Earl And Broadcasters blues band back in the 90s. They are essentially an instrumental modern blues quartet now since disbanded. Earl is an amazing guitarist but as important as his playing was/is, the rhythm section that included Katz was as essential in making that group what it was, imo. And Katz’s playing in jazz groups is excellent as well. Track 2 – Joey Calderazzo: “The Oracle” from: I really thought this one would get ID’d by a few folks. I came to Calderazzo the same way I figure most folks do – through the Branford Marsalis Quartet. This trio is w/ Tain and Pattitucci and I think the entire recording is terrific. Essentially no real weak spots throughout. Too bad this trio didn’t make more recordings. And as far as everyone here mentioning McCoy in relation to this track, I assume its title, “The Oracle,” refers to him. Track 3 – Zirque Bonner: “Waltzirque” from a home recording made in Bonner’s home in Sedona, AZ. This is Zirque’s tune. The group is Dominic Lalli on tenor, John Dworkin on guitar, Zirque on bass, and Frank Rosaly on drums. This one was pretty well guaranteed to have everyone stumped. It is not released, afaik. I wanted to include it as I feel it’s kind of a valuable recording since it’s got frank just before he moved to Chicago, and dominic before he left Arizona and started Big Gigantic. Both are pretty well known now (albeit for very different styles…) and this will be a funky little curio for anyone familiar w/ either of those two players. By the way, Zirque is a monster bassist and an amazingly cool person. Track 4 – Nick Brignola & The Endangered Species: “Fast Food” from The Endangered Species. Somewhat unknown recording by the great Brignola and a few other local Albany/Troy players: Chuck D’Aloia on guitar (writer of the track heard here), Rich Syracuse on bass, and Dave Calarco on drums. Another cool one for folks to have if they’re Brignola fans. I figured I’d choose one from the recording where Nick wasn’t on bari to trip folks up. Plus, D’Aloia was the big local guitar hero here for a while – w/ good reason. I was lucky to see him play live quite a bit. He’s moved West recently… Track 5 – Jesse Van Ruller: “Christina” from: another one I thought some here may have ID’d. maybe there were no guitarists playing this month? Terrific straight-ahead guitar playing. This entire recording is fantastic for this in the pocket vibe. And Ruller’s tone is beautiful. Track 6 – Conrad Herwig: “With Every Breath” from: always liked this record and I think Herwig is spectacular on trombone. Great tone, chops, ideas, etc etc etc… and Nussbaum is one of my favorite drummers so this album “feels” good. Track 7 – Bill Charlap: “Fantastic Rhythm” from: worthwhile tribute record to Strayhorn. The version of “Rain Check” with Lovano, Hank Jones and Paul Motian from the same record is also excellent. Really, really beautifully swinging take…

hey Al. didn't notice you'd posted again that day. sorry for the delay. not Bucky...

aaargggggggghhhhhh!!!!!!!@#$%^&* i was most definitely not referring to organissimo and jim. i can see how it might read like that until you get further along in the post. don't scare me like that. anyway, i assume if anyone here did what i did - look up the guy who runs/put together the site - and checked out a few of his things/writings, you'd pretty much come away w/ the same impression i did. or, if you're berigan, you've found you're new hero and a bunch o' new sites to quote and link to when you wanna try to stir up some bullshit or "prove" a point...

very cursory research shows me that, more likely than not, a thorough investigation on this site and the guy who runs it would likely show him/it to be a far-right republican shill w/ all the regular connections and attitudes and beliefs: capitalism cannot be questioned, christianity is the way to go and is "under attack," liberalism is a mental disorder, etc etc etc... reminds me of a chapter title from one of Franken's books: "How To Lie With Footnotes." sub the word statistics for footnotes in that chapter title and you've got my impression of the link supplied in the OP. and why is this not in the politics section of the forum?

excellent for the price.

wow! track #9 is not Sassetti but thanks for guessing him. i'd never heard of him before so i went to amazon to listen to some stuff. i can see why you'd guess him for this BFT track. but more importantly, you've given me someone new to look out for and possibly purchase. fantastic stuff. i listened to some soundtrack stuff (Alice in particular, the first few tracks/cues reminding me of Newman's now somewhat omnipresent American Beauty score...), and some trio and solo playing. fantastic!

excellent comments jeff. will get to responding sometime tomorrow...

of course you do

Yeah!

Yeah! awesome spontoon! just finishing up my lunch break @ work so can't respond in detail right now. will get back tonight...