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Break up Jacksonville! What do I win? Hard to see Vick ever starting again for the Eagles...., or him back next year. RGIII once again putting up useless numbers after the fact. Richardson continues his dominance in the Colts loss to the Rams. 5 carries for 2 yards! Niners and Panthers in the cupcake game. Two teams with a good record but cupcakes to do it. Both also each have "wonder" QB who haven't been to keep up the "wonder" after the first year/half-year. Interestingly, they were roommates @ the combine. P.S. If the Bucs can't beat the Dolphins of all teams. Just how does Schiano keep his job?

It gets idiotic when it gets to Malcolm X and MLK.

Also reminds me that LeBron isn't coming back to carry Bosh, but especially Wade anymore after this year.

That's funny and that's a boring as hell performance of it. My youngest sister will tell you it's by Julie Andrews. Her excuse is her age.

This has been all over FB....but I have to admit when I saw Whitey....I was thinking of Whitey Bulger....before reading the rest of the sentence.

A nice piece by Patti Smith in the New Yorker. P.S. If you haven't read it....I highly recommend her book Just Kids. http://www.newyorker.com/talk/2013/11/11/131111ta_talk_smith

Not sure I would classify it under packaging lunacy. This would be a great way for anyone who hasn't already upgraded. I am happy with the last upgrades.

It's early in the season but James Dolan is already in peak form. He has been having Woodson followed and he won't let the Knicks City Dancers dance...and then, there are the public tantrums. Who gets fired first. Kidd, or Woodson? With the luxury tax the Nets are looking @ $187 million.

Richie "Bigot" Incognito was given an "honorary" status as a black man by his Dolphin teammates. You can't make this shit up. It's really amazing just how many African-American players are coming to Incognito's defense. Martin walked into twisted world He confronted an unrelenting, prison yard mentality in the Miami locker room http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9941696/jonathan-martin-walked-twisted-world-led-incognito

This is getting absurd. He thinks those he listed are basically free improv and you're recommending Mad Dogs, which costs how much again? He made it clear there was a budget issue. Others recommending Brotzmann and the rest. Is there really a reading for comprehension issue for that many of you? He wants "unstructured" so I figured the best of the best free improvisors in the area of energetic improvising would be the best place to go. So you think just throwing him in the deep end when it's obvious he doesn't belong (he himself isn't clear what he really wants.) there is the best option? And if he doesn't like it....he spent how much on Mad Dogs? Work with, or around the musicians anyone mentions and then work them from there depending what they like and or don't is how you recommend things. And as much I enjoy Mad Dogs....it wouldn't be the first one from any of those involved I would recommend as a must have. At least the others were mentioning affordable things that if he doesn't like it's not a major loss financially for him.

This is getting absurd. He thinks those he listed are basically free improv and you're recommending Mad Dogs, which costs how much again? He made it clear there was a budget issue. Others recommending Brotzmann and the rest.

The AACM posted a Rest in Peace for him. Be well....

Until this, I didn't know much about his older brother and the affect of his suicide had on him. Found this. You can legally download the only known recordings of his brother for free. http://www.harryevanstrio.com./

Just found this. Just in case anyone else hasn't seen it. That's his older brother Harry....who committed suicide....and whom he's buried next too. http://youtu.be/SGful7FHu8s

This is exactly the type of input I'm looking for, please elaborate! When you say, "but compared to what came later from some of them", what specific albums are you referencing? I can't afford to buy each artists full catalog, so I'm trying to hone in on each artists least structured work. What would you recommend for Shepp and the aforementioned list of guys if I want to hear their most far out, experimental stuff? Keeping in mind I don't know what kind of budget and I am sure others can give their own list. Ornette Coleman - Free Jazz (it's where the genre's name comes from. Dolphy is also involved. If possible just get Beauty is a Rare Thing....it will include duplicate the one you have....but it's the one period everyone thinks about with Coleman. Also adding in Live @ the Golden Circle, Vol 1. & 2. Coleman even breaks out the violin and trumpet!) Eric Dolphy - Out to Lunch (4 years after Out There and really is the Dolphy recording.) You didn't mention him....but just adding Andrew Hill's Point of Departure....Dolphy is involved. Actually, you can't go wrong with anything involving Dolphy as sideman. What the hell Oliver Nelson's The Blues and the Abstract Truth. Anything with him and Charles Mingus.....and while no Dolphy is involved....Mingus' The Black Saint and the Sinner Lady should be any collection of someone that likes things more out there. There is a new Mosiac Mingus with Dolphy....but the cheaper option of them together live....Charles Mingus Sextet with Eric Dolphy Cornell 1964....The Great Concert of Charles Mingus. Coltrane - The Complete 1961 Village Vanguard Recordings (Coltrane and Dolphy playing on this irritated critics that it was called anti-Jazz. Both of them actually responded to that.....and the rest of it is a must if you don't have it....also ). Live at the Half Note: One Down, One Up Now you want Coltrane in full fire burning the paint down off walls.....The Olatunji Concert: The Last Live Recording. You have to marvel that it was only 2 months before he died from liver cancer and all the pain he had to be going through. Pharaoh Sanders - I will admit I prefer him as a sideman.....but as leader for me it's Karma. Now with Cecil Taylor. Do you like solo piano, or do you only want group recordings....and just how out there are you interested in? Albert Ayler - Do you just want studio recordings, or are live ones okay? P.S. You need to hunt down JSngry's EPIC "Moses to the Mountaintop" post about Interstellar Space. When I first came across it on one of my digs on here....I sent it to everyone I knew....but especially those that didn't like Jazz. The Coltrane Estate probably had a bump in royalties on it that day. Also, his post about Albert Ayler was equally EPIC!...pretty sure it had the same affect on any royalties.

I think FWIW I may have sold Shabaka short by just posting that one track...I guess the composition can somewhat invite this approach (angular, post-boppish, etc.) - though on another day, he of course would play it totally differently. His range is much broader than just this one aspect (in fact, he plays very differently on each of the tracks). I don't hear him as a clone - a kindred language for sure (hence linking this particular tune), but definitely not note-for-note Dolphyisms to my ears...at any rate, no problem...all cool - different strokes etc. etc..! Yes to Sclavis (I really enjoyed the recentish Clean Feed trio with Taborn and Rainey), and Michel Portal. John Surman - totally. IMHO honours the Dolphy concept by being completely his own man, at the same time as in some kind of tradition. On the subject of Rudi Mahall - he is great, of course. Also one of the LOUDEST horn players (of any variety) I've ever seen live! Alexander: Like I said it wasn't personal and just based on that one track. I haven't heard anything else by him to compare and too me it really does sound cloneish.

Right now I can't tell what you want....because not a single recording you listed....all I whom I have and enjoy can't be defined under "least structured albums". Several, I don't even consider more than avant-garde. Some free jazz, but compared to what came later from some of them it's bop in comparison. Never mind the fence-sitters in your list. Free imrpov is what you seem to want, but only Cecil Taylor from that list went there years after Conquistador....and even he really isn't completely free improv.

Most of everything has been mentioned.... The Magic of Ju-Ju....just for the title track alone. As in, the Lee Morgan Sidewinder--like with the first track. Attica Blues Blase Yasmina, a Black Woman Coltrane/Shepp New Things Him and Horace Parlan I Know About the Life....

I think the easiest thing is a list of Bass Clarinets not named Dolphy. Unless we're talking about tribute/clones like what Alexander Hawkins posted. Like I said, I can (and I am sure many others) can (and several have done) mention/list Bass Clarinets with their own sound....but Dolphy, is Dolphy in my book. How anyone thinks Murray is in the same Universe is another discussion.

Patrick Ewing is going to be coaching against the Knicks tonight and you have to figure a good while. Good vibes for Clifford, but would love to see the Bobcats beat the Knicks.

Love Sclavis, but I never think of Dolphy hearing him. He has his own sound that you know it's Sclavis. P.S. Nothing personal Andrew....but Shabaka Hutchings (at least on that track) is like listening to one of the Coltrane clones....or like some tribute rock band. They sound so much like them...there is no them in it....and I can just listen to Coltrane, or those bands....and Dolphy.

Seriously? That's funny. Care to elaborate? I'm not judging, I'm just saying that M-Base sounds very 1990. Won't Glasper's music just sound very 2013 some time from now? Dating is by and large unavoidable, but it's a real trap when it comes to self-styled "groundbreaking" experiments. I think he means it's basically what happened in the 90's with stuff like Jazz rap, Nu Jazz, M-Base. The only 2013 thing to these things is he's doing it using people from now to do it. As in, he's really not doing anything new @ all....just his fans today....really don't know about the past stuff. P.S. I will give him this....unlike the past he's able to get well known names to participate....and when you get it down to it's more his guests than him that are leading to the sales and with sales comes attention. He's got guests that have sold more and/or are more well known than the vast majority of jazz musicians in history just on this latest turd. Without the guests and covering Nirvana....it's basically WTF? is Robert Glasper? Of course, Snoop Dogg has really lowered his standards of who he will work with as long as he gets the Benjamins. Britney Spears and Miley Cyrus, anyone.

Zelda Fitzgerald Tallulah Bankhead (really amazing no one has made a move about her.) Henry Hull

Brando was already covered. Sonny Criss Chris "Mac Daddy" Kelly aka Kriss Kross Gene Kelly