randyhersom

If track seven isn't found on the same box set as an earlier track, than maybe it's This . Anybody got it to compare? The only other Au Privave I found on AMG that came from an album with no pianist was This which wouldn't seem to be enough musicians.

Can anyone tell us which tracks of the box set to listen to to hear this? I burned my Wes CDs from Emusic.com back in the good old days, and so have not booklet.

1. Initially evoked Art Blakey and the Jazz Messengers, but flutes and clarinets became evident as the piece went on and those weren't used much by Blakey. Still, no other name comes to mind. Art Blakey. 2. I sure think that's Max Roach. Very melodic drum playing. Pianoless ensemble with trombone. 3. I'm thinking this is someone who had an opportunity to hear Coltrane's Atlantic recordings (and admired them greatly), rather than Coltrane himself. I've never been good at picking out Joe Henderson, but somehow I don't think its him. The bari solo is fine and should be a clue, but nothing has jumped out at me. Could be European, but I don't know enough to guess well in that area. George Coleman, maybe with Cecil Payne? 4. Stylistically, the intro has me thinking seventies or later. The bass playing is killer, very evocative. It's featured far enough forward in the mix and arrangements that it might be the bassist's date. Dave Holland Quintet with Chris Potter and Robin Eubanks? 5. Darn Lovely. Perhaps one of Elvin Jones later ensembles? On second listen this is bugging me. I'm not liking my guess because it sounds very familiar. But what? 6. Sonny Rollins. Maybe Wilbur Ware on bass and Elvin Jones on drums. Doesn't sound like a live recording, though. Pianoless seems to be the theme here. I'm really grooving on the bass playing so far in this Blindfold test. 7. A Bird tune. I always guess the title wrong so I don't know why I keep trying : ) Yardbird Suite? I know Bob Brookmeyer recorded with a European ensemble and I'm not finding a better guess, so I'll guess that. 8. I figure Joe Lovano must be in here somewhere and this might be it. I didn't know there was such an abundance of pianoless dates in this general style. The absence of piano really does open up the sound quite a bit. 9. Bass clarinet at the beginning, alto sax later. Highly virtuosic bass playing early on. It doesn't sound quite edgy enough to be Thomas Chapin, but thats my best guess. 10. Absolutely sure of this one. A classic! I like the Bass! 11. Air? 12. Woody Shaw with Steve Turre? I've heard about disk three of the Mosaic, but I don't know if it was pianoless. 13. I'm thinking Surman or Garbarek, neither of whom I can recall a pianoless quartet with trumpet for. Near the end it gets that crying alto sound I associate with Abdullah Ibrahim's bands, and Carlos Ward is a possibility. I'll go with Garbarek. 14. Nice trombone and clarinet. Ken Peplowski? 15. Lover Man on solo sax. At first I thought alto, but now I'm thinking tenor. I think Lew Tabackin has done some solo sax work. I'll go with Lew. A very enjoyable set.

Up to 26 signups. I'll acknowledge all the advance emails at once when preparing the sendout. Does anybody have info on the speed of discs from USA arriving in Europe and South America? I'd like to send those sets a little early, but I don't know how early. Thanks Randy

19 and counting. Thanks for all the kind offers to assist. For now I'm planning to send them all out myself. There is no charge and no need to send any money.

E-mail randyhersom28655@yahoo.com with your address to participate. A non-binding preference of me, the compiler: I prefer that people make their first post in the discussion thread without benefit of research, using only their ears and memories. After that use AMG, your collection, google and past BBS posts as you like. I'm among the many who have gone an entire BFT without getting a single track right, so don't be shy, you have plenty of company. I havent decided between Late Jan and Early Feb for the mailout, depends on input I get here and the progress of BFT #5.

Triplicity is available as MP3 files on www.emusic.com. Unlike most emusic files the Xanadu's have no in-print CD counterpart. Some of the Xanadu's were transferred from newly unsealed LPs.

My first Mosaic product, the John Patton Select. B. B. King budget twofer Time-Life 100 Jazz Greats

I just checked out the final words on the other thread and was struck by an irony. Even though the Art Ensemble made a piece of music celebrating rugged individualism in the face of pressures to conform, they couldn't have made that music unless they themselves had gotten in line, the line called Art Ensemble of Chicago. There's lots of lines in life, some of them intentionally manipulative, others encrusted with unquestioned stupidity. Yet joining with others to move toward a common goal produces a line. The line starts out based on the common interests of its members. WIth the vigilance of all members it can stay that way. Occasionally we can hear the results of someone getting out of line, working toward totally different goals while participating in a group activity such as a band. So choose your lines carefully, but don't fail to get in line if its a line you choose to be in.

Bravo. Wish I'd been able to recall Hadley Caliman's Iapetus being the fusion date on Mainstream that you had given props to. Interesting that the Joe Daley came out on a major label but led to only one more date. Anybody heard the Kenny Dorham Sextet on Cadet with Muhal Richard Abrams and Joe Daley? My first reaction to the name was "did he switch to tuba?" but that seems to be another guy. Loved the Braxton, I figure my LP copy is nicked up too bad to play well, but I'll dig it out and give it a try. I'd love to see it on CD again. Thanks

The album of Duke playing Monk takes its place in deceptive jazz trivia next to the trio of Hamp, Monk and Ellington! When Jim commented "wait til you find out" who did 1-3, Maynard was one of a couple names that flashed through my mind. I realized later on that I had guessed Milt Hinton for a tune with no bass, and Abdullah Ibrahim for a tune with no piano. I initial heard the conga drum as a bass on the David Seville track. That of course was a dirty trick : ) . Hmmmm... did Harry Allen ever record a tribute to Eric Alexander? I probably need to listen to more Horace Silver, because I was pretty confident in ruling out Horace for 1-1 even after seeing some of the correct guesses. I associate him with a more soul-jazz funky and less ornate style than he delivered here. Hell Yeahs for tracks 5, 6, 7 and 8. Puttin On Dog sounded better the second time, and reads quite well. I'm still amazed that 1-10 was played by only one guy, presumably not wearing tap shoes. Harrison Ridley Jr. in Philly had told a class I was in about Jim Reese Europe, so when I first saw that guess I was pretty sure they were right. Keep 'em coming, the wait is agonizing!

Even more obscure than, say, The Fringe, George Garzone's longtime group?

Should several people decide that the Blindfold Test as is is not for them, they could set up a special interest Blindfold Test. Meanwhile I am of the opinion that less rules is better in the absence of such a schism. I personally will stay within the jazz and vocals record bins, and any vocalists would be commonly considered jazz vocalists, for all of my first CD. If I do any genre-bending, it will be on CD2, and I'm not sure I will. But I am sure that it can be done well and open the ears of at least a few people with preconceptions in the way. The track that is presumed to be JB is jazz. It's soul too, but its jazz. Likewise, I'll be including a good mix of the rather familiar and the obscure, but the BT was started by a fellow with something to say that precluded using a lot of familiar material. I ain't giving back my BF #1 disc. Thanks Tony.

The challenge is the biggest part of the fun. Second comes discovering music, including music you own but haven't checked out in a while. Really cool segues are, well, really cool segues and enhance #2. For some reason this has captured my interest in a way that Album of the Week just couldn't quite do. I'm looking forward to my turn at the wheel.

Further mild embarrasment. I've recently been listening to a Carla Bley Band Live cassette in my car and commenting to myself how recognizable Steve Swallow is on bass. #2-4 sure snookered me on that count.

I make a point of not looking at the discussion thread until I have written my first response to the disc(s) in WordPad. Now having read through the responses, I have a few more reactions. I too initially heard 1-5 as a female voice, was getting ready to type Ann Peebles when the JBisms started to connect for me. On 1-6 I'm feeling considerably less confident of my Dinah Washington guess in the face of all the Rosemary Clooney guesses. I have fond memories of the Braxton Creative Orchestra Music 1976 album and that seems a better guess than my Gil Evans. I often mistake Getz-style tenor for alto and I think that happened a couple times here. Very enjoyable set, only Puttin up Dog failed to connect for me. I'll be impressed and amused if I turn out to have momentarily confused Baby Dodds and Milford Graves!

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Disc 1 1. Long piano intro, later becoming similar in feel to Maiden Voyage. I'd be mildly surprised if this isn't on Blue Note. The tenor is too cutting to be Wayne, so I'll rule out the VSOP band. Chick Corea with Joe Henderson is a possibility, but I don't remember a trumpet on that date (I haven't heard it enough to be sure I would). I have a Billy Harper Steeplechase that I haven't listened to enough, with Francesca Tanksley and Eddie Henderson, and I'm wondering if this might be it. OK, as good as any guess. Billy Harper. 2. The pianist feels like a modern player that is very skilled in older styles. That would make me think Jaki Byard, but the vocal interjections lead me away from that thought. The words that are being said would seem out of place coming from the piano player, leading me to conjecture that the date is led by a bassist or drummer of great experience, urging on a younger piano player. None of the vocalizing along with the bass one associates with Major Holley. I think of Ray Brown as too polished and cosmopolitan in style to be the utterer, so my guess is Milt Hinton. 3. The composition feels like Milestone era McCoy Tyner, but his piano sound just isn't there. I really need to listen to some more Thad Jones- Mel Lewis stuff. I can't remember if they sounded this modern. Every time I hear a largish ensemble I wonder if it's them. I'll go with Jones-Lewis. 4. I'm thinking Don Ellis. Big band with some rockish underpinning and tricky charts. 5. James Brown. Not uncomfortable at all with the style, and singing his ass off. 6. I'm thinking Dinah Washington. 7. Andrew Hill, duetting with an alto sax, perhaps James Vass. 8. Shirley Scott and Eddie Lockjaw Davis. I think the tone is a little harder than I would expect from Stanley Turrentine. 9. No real clue. I know Jim's fond of the Baby Dodds session, but this isn't really what I expected that to sound like. Maybe this is part of the John Carter ongoing series. 10. For a while I believed the featured soloist here was on tap shoes, but I changed my mind to believing it was two percussionists duetting. Would Andrew Cyrille and Milford Graves be this groove oriented, or do I need to look for somebody a little less cutting edge, maybe Bob Moses and Billy Martin. I'll go with Bob Moses and Billy Martin. 11. Older sound with vocalist. Lyrics seem to indicate a wartime release. Reminds me of some of the vocalists on the Duke Ellington pre-1947 box, but the band doesn't sound like Duke at all. Totally off the wall guess, just on the odd chance I might luck out: Bob Crosby. 12. I initially heard this as two separate tracks. I considered Mingus for the first one and the Art Ensemble of Chicago for the second. When I realized it was all the same track I was pretty sure it was the Art Ensemble of Chicago. 13. Tight and swinging, larger ensemble. Basie or Woody Herman come to mind. Woody incorporated a lot more rock elements over the years that I don't hear here. Later Count Basie. 14. Strongly reminiscent of Paul Desmond. The piano plays with more delicacy than one associates with Dave Brubeck. Now wait a minute where's this guitar coming from. That almost surely rules out Brubeck and Desmond. I guess I'll roll out a backup guess. Art Pepper. 15. Milt Jackson. The shuffling beat could point to Lionel Hampton, but the piano seems of a later generation. Disc 2 : 1. There was an unusual Mainstream date that Jim has spoken of on a couple occasions, and I'm wondering if this is it. Too bad I can't remember the artist. Ah, well, Plan B. The horn is reminiscent enough of Bennie Maupin for me to guess Mwandishi-era Herbie Hancock. 2. The "Ornette Coleman" chants at the end led me to abandon a pretty tenuous guess of Gary Bartz. Conga, sax and trombone. Lets try Arthur Blythe. 3. Marvin Gaye. 4. This is somewhat reminiscent of Issac Hayes soundtrack instrumentals. If that's not it then the bass guitar seems to be featured prominently. Having little knowledge of smoothish bass guitar players (Wayman Tisdale???), I'll stick with Isaac Hayes as my guess. 5. This was already feeling like a later band playing some New Orleans style before the piano came in, so I'm ruling out bands whose whole output is in the New Orleans style. It could well be Wynton or Ellis Marsalis. I'll go with Wynton. 6. Tight, big band jazz with style that seems to indicate late 60s at the earliest, probably later. Having used up my quota of Jones-Lewis guesses, I'm tempted to try Gil Evans, but I don't think that's it. For lack of anything better to do, I'll guess Oliver Nelson. 7. Glad I saved my Gil Evans guess. It's still a guess but feels a little more appropriate here than on the last track. 8. This has the looseness and creativity I associate with Duke Ellington. 9. I'm liking Sonny Rollins for this one. 10. This is coming from the blues side. It seems like all the blues singers I am familiar with have lower voices, so the best I can do is guess someone I am pretty unfamiliar with. Grittier than Jon Hendricks, less whimsical and white than Mose Allison. O. V. Wright? 11. Tuba groove. Something in the voicings reminded me of Abdullah Ibrahim.

Hell Yeah. Krog positively smoulders on this. It's a late 70s date. I like the transition period Shepp when he was moving inside.

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I, Randy Hersom, will be pleased to do Blindfold test #6. I did some jazz radio in college and I think you will enjoy my set.

When I was at WRTI in the 70's Russ Musto told me that Phineas Newborn had given up on getting people to pronounce it Fine-us and was accepting Finny-us, so I'm not surprised.

Cross-check the titles on the ESP stuff before downloading. The new "Capricorn Moon" by Marion Brown is the same album already posted as "Marion Brown Quartet".

Geez. They backed up the ESP-Disk truck at E-Music. They were at maybe 15%-20% of the catalog before the policy change, and I'd have to guess they're close to %100 now. My next batch of download credits arrives November 23, and I'm sure I'll go through them all within a day or two. Ayler at Slugs, Henry Grimes Trio, more Sonny Simmons, Marion Brown, Revolutionary Ensemble, Charles Tyler and Michael Gregory Jackson.

I stayed it for the time being too. I was worried I'd relinquish my re-download rights if I let it lapse. I've re-downloaded the Monk and Wes boxes since the download limits went into effect, and downloads are much better than before the limits. The number of tracks was well over 40, so they seem to mean what they say about redownloading still being unlimited. About five screens of new releases went up after the limits. The Frank Kimbrough is definitely on my list, and the Mark Whitcage is a maybe. Hoping to see Organissimo soon!