Eric

Found a way to get the Horace Silver CD into iTunes on my PC (although you need a Mac to accomplish it). 1. Using a Mac, import songs into iTunes (apparently Macs are not impacted by the copy-protection BS) 2. Once the songs are loaded, burn a CD using iTunes on the Mac 3. You can then import the newly-burned CD into iTunes on your PC Simple enough, if you are fortunate enough to have easy access to a Mac (my son has one). Still an extraordinarily stupid move on the part of Sony.

The only "advantage" I can see if this were to happen would be increased publicity of what a pain in the ass this is. Everyone and their dog (at least in the jazz community) will publish reviews on Cellar Door and doubtless many reviewers will plop it into their computers and try to load it into iTunes. For that matter, I wonder what pop titles Sony has subjected to this BS?

Gaaaah, even worse. The computers where I work won't allow the users to add applications, so I couldn't install the little CD player application; I wouldn't be able to listen to the CDs at all. ← I expect a lot of poeple will have similar problems and/or they simply won't want to jack with the hassle of it. This is such an ill-advised move on their part. The concept of "limited burns" is OK with me ... but it is obvious that the technology has not yet arrived to make this seamless/painless for the consumer.

The Ammons in question was issued as an lp in 1967 but is a reissue of 78S. You will kick yourself and curse Verve when you go to their site and examine the contents of an Ammons disc called Young Jug. It contains 8 of the 10 tunes you downloaded plus 12 more. I can't believe they did this. ← They just did the same thing with "Cannonball Enroute". These 8 tracks are also on "Sophisticated Swing", which has *28* tracks in addition to "Enroute". I guess they are giving you the "option" to get the 8 tracks off "Enroute" for $7.92 versus all 36 for the exorbitant sum of $19.98. There is a job at Sony/BMG waiting for these guys ...

That is good news on the Shaw. The Silver is copy-protected.

I bought a copy of Silver's Blue just to check this out. I popped the CD in my laptop and up came a screen that said I had 30 seconds to shut down iTunes or the disc would eject (which ended up happening). Next I booted up Windows Media Player and got the bullshit license agreement. Of course, if you don't accept, it ejects your CD. BTW, there was no way to copy the license agreement and it is rather lengthy. It also talks about how the CD is going to install a small piece of software on your computer to manage the storage of digital media on your PC or some crap like that. It turn out that what got installed was a crappy little CD player ("CLP"), i.e. the CD did not load in Windows Media Player. I used a utility on the CLP to do so. The following "simple" instructions were also provided: COPYING MUSIC TO YOUR COMPUTER You must use the software provided on this disc to copy the tracks to your computer. If you try to use your normal media player (RealPlayer, iTunes, Windows Media Player, MusicMatch) to copy the tracks to your computer, then the audio will sound distorted. To copy tracks to your computer, click this icon inside the player. Next, select which format you would like to use to copy the tracks. You can copy tracks using secure Windows Media, or copy OpenMG tracks for use with Sony portable devices. To copy tracks to your computer in the secure Windows Media format, you must have Windows Media 9 or higher installed on your computer. If you do not have Windows Media 9 installed, you can download it directly from Microsoft. Additionally, if you are running a version of Windows older than Windows XP, then you must also have DirectX 9 installed. You can download DirectX 9 directly from Microsoft. To copy tracks to your computer in the OpenMG format for use with Sony portable devices, you must use the "MUSIC PLAYER" software provided on this disc. This application will be installed the first time you try to copy the OpenMG tracks to your computer. If the "MUSIC PLAYER" installer does not automatically launch, then follow these steps to launch the "MUSIC PLAYER" installer manually. Double click on the 'My Computer' icon on your desktop Inside the 'My Computer' window, double click on the icon for your CD-ROM drive Once you see the list of files on the disc, double click on the folder named 'BIN'. Once you see the list of files in the 'BIN' folder, double click on the folder named 'WIN32'. Once you see the list of files in the 'WIN32' folder, double click on the file named 'MQSETUP.EXE'. If you have problems or experience difficulty with any of these functions, please visit our website, http://www.contentprotectedmusic.com/ for more information. After I got one song burned, I opened it in Windows Media Player (i.e. instead of the CLP) and played the tune. Predictably, it sounded like shit- all distorted. I also tried to import the WMA file into iTunes, but (predictably), it would not let me because the file was "protected". So, it looks as if the music will only play (at the proper fidelity that is) in the CLP. Even with that option, you have to be able to *find* the CLP on your machine - unlike the installation of any other software, there is no shortcut and I don't even know what I am looking for when I search my hard drive. What a load of shit Clearly there is a major pissing contest going on between Sony/BMG and Apple. This is not uncommon in the software industry EXCEPT for the fact that they almost always get the issues worked out before the public gets crapped on. Sony/BMG damn well knows that iTunes is wildly popular and that many people would run into this issue and get pissed. What a bunch of morons/assholes!!! What makes this even more frustrating is that this is a very nice set of Legacy reissues. I am pissed!!!

I am curious - why not load iTunes on her PC? I agree, that sounds very cool. If that were the set-up, you could also just plug in a Shuffle (which is no more than a fancy memory stick) if you had one.

I think this is what I posted on the prior page ... definitely requires some "work". What a bunch of arrogant SOBs. The Blakey situation is unbelievable. I think this is as much about giving the finger to Apple as well as the consumer.

I did a Google for "XCP" and "Apple" and found a link to a Sony/BMG site and found this: 3. How can I get tracks I rip from my CD into iTunes and/or onto my iPod? Apple's proprietary technology doesn't support secure music formats other than their own, and therefore the secure music file formats on this disc can't be directly imported into iTunes or iPods. While these discs aren't currently compatible with iTunes or iPod, we are actively working on an acceptable solution, and have reached out to Apple in hopes of addressing this issue. To help speed this effort, we ask that you use the following link to contact Apple and ask them to provide a solution that would easily allow you to move content from protected CDs into iTunes or onto your iPod: http://www.apple.com/feedback/ipod.html Even though there is no direct support on the disc for iTunes or iPod, SONY BMG has worked out a way for consumers to move content into these environments, despite the challenges noted above. To receive more information on how to move content into iTunes, CLICK HERE. http://cp.sonybmg.com/xcp/english/form10.html This directs you to a little form that you fill out. I received an email almost immediately that said this: Thank you for contacting Sony BMG Online. We appreciate your purchase of our CD and apologize for any inconvenience. Please follow the instructions below in order to move your content into iTunes and onto an iPod. [Macintosh] If you have a Macintosh computer you can copy the songs using your iTunes Player as you would normally do. [Windows] If you have a PC place the CD into your computer and allow the Sony BMG audio player on the CD to automatically start. If the player software does not automatically start, open your Windows Explorer. Locate and select the drive letter for your CD drive. On the disc you will find either a file named LaunchCD.exe or Autorun.exe. Double-click this file to manually start the player. TIP: If your CD does not contain either the LaunchCD.exe or Autorun.exe files, it may not be compatible with this iPod solution. Please reply to this letter for more information. Once the Sony BMG player application has been launched and the End User License Agreement has been accepted, you can click the Copy Songs button on the top menu. Follow the instructions to copy the secure Windows Media Files (WMA) to your PC. Make a note of where you are copying the songs to, you will need to get to these secure Windows Media Files in the next steps. Once the WMA files are on your PC you can open and listen to the songs with Windows Media Player 9.0 or higher (or another fully compatible player that can playback secure WMA files, such as MusicMatch, RealPlayer, and Winamp). You can then burn the songs to a standard Audio CD. Please note that in order to burn the files, you will need to upgrade to, or already have, Windows Media Player 9 or 10. Once the standard Audio CD has been created, place this copied CD back into your computer and open iTunes. iTunes can now rip the songs as you would any normal audio CD. Please note an easier and more acceptable solution requires cooperation from Apple, who we have already reached out to in hopes of addressing this issue. To help speed this effort, we ask that you use the following link to contact Apple and ask them to provide a solution that would easily allow you to move content from protected CDs into iTunes or onto your iPod rather than having to go through the additional steps above: http://www.apple.com/feedback/ipod.html Thank you for the opportunity to be of assistance. The Sony BMG Online Support Team Sounds like a fucking joyous process. I love the way they try to get you to bone Apple ...

Yeah, I am not much of a "car person", but these have REALLY caught my eye.

They did something similar with a Duke Pearson album several years ago ...

Well, this sucks royally. I noticed that some of the titles appeared on iTunes today. So you can buy the CD and get the notes, but not be able to load it to iTunes or you can just buy it off iTunes without the notes. Or stick with vinyl, which is what I plan to do. Guess CD Universe will be getting a nice sized return package early next week. This is bullshit

Sorry to thread crap, but what is a "weiner"? ← oops, it is a typo wiener ← Err... Sorry, I still don't understand. According to Merriam-Webster it's a wienerwurst: Main Entry: wie·ner Pronunciation: 'wE-n&r, 'wE-nE also 'wi-nE Function: noun Etymology: short for wienerwurst It just occurred to me, do you mean "whiner"? ← sorry for the confusion - I do mean wiener in this case, slang for something that is bland, dull or flavorless I am refering to the Oscar Meyer variety of course

I'll fourth that ... nice to have this one on CD

Sorry to thread crap, but what is a "weiner"? ← oops, it is a typo wiener the guy just creeps me out ... he is part of the "Jim Nance" wing of the overly-dramatized golfing elite

perhaps so ... too bad, Phil is such a weiner Tiger used to piss me off because I know he is going to break all Jack's records, but I have warmed to the guy. You gotta respect the greats ... plus I love his intensity, which is exactly why I loved Jack.

Been on vacation this week and decided to revisit this set. I also created 5 separate sessions for listening on iTunes - it seemed to help me make sense of all this wonderful music. I have been through each session 2-3 times so far. This really is a charming listen. I find each session to be both interesting and rewarding. Really a major series of work - it is like having 5 brand new Hill albums to digest and enjoy . I like the fact that the sessions have different moods and levels of accessability. One of the nicer moments for me - the two tracks that Carlos Garnett plays on (the "with strings" sessions). Little discoveries like that remind me why I love jazz so much

oops ... dang, I even checked the sub-forum ... party is the operative term however!

Just saw this on the Mosaic web site (a new link for "Future Projects"): SCHEDULED RELEASES Late August The Jazz Crusaders: The Pacific Jazz Quintet Studio Sessions (MD6-230) 6 CDs $102. This set chronicles the nine studio albums made by the Jazz Crusaders for Pacific Jazz between 1961 and 1970 on 6 CDs with a dozen previously unissued performances. Not included in the set are special projects such as their collaboration with Les McCann or their albums with a big band or Latin musicians added. Early October Mosaic Select: Jazz Piano Trios - Russ Freeman, Richard Twardzik, Jimmy Rowles and Clare Fischer (MS-019) (3 CDs) This set reinstates a number of important piano recordings made for Pacific Jazz showcasing the work of four stylistically unique pianists. Rowles was the consummate pianist in any style or situation. Freeman found his own voice from the innovations of Bud Powell. Twardzik was a daring original like Monk and Herbie Nichols. Fischer explored the post-Bill Evans sound of a piano trio. Mosaic Select: Charles Tolliver (MS-020) (3 CDs) Charles Tolliver emerged in 1965 as a strong and innovative trumpeter and composer. After important tenures with Jackie McLean, Gerald Wilson, Max Roach and Andrew Hill, Tolliver formed his own quartet which he dubbed Music Inc. He recorded the band live at Slug's in New York in 1970 and at a Tokyo concert in 1973 for his own Strata-East label. These are now being gathered with unissued performances from the session as the 3rd CD. October/November The Thelonious Monk Quartet With John Coltrane At Carnegie Hall ( MQ1-231 Mosaic (200-gram)HQ-LP $30.00) Larry Appelbaum at the Library of Congress discovered a heretofore unknown November 1957 Carnegie Hall concert taped by Voice Of America radio. What makes this news earth-shattering is the existence of two 25-minute sets by the legendary Thelonious Monk Quartet with John Coltrane. And the music more than delivers on its promise. Pianistically, Monk will shock you and Coltrane is focused and impassioned throughout and the sound is excellent. For only the 2nd time in its history The Library of Congress allowed the master tape to be taken from its premises. The original tape was brought to New York to Master Cutting Room and mastered by Kevin Hodge and will be pressed at RTI where Classic Records has allowed us to use their exclusive 200-gram press. CD will be issued by Blue Note for $17.98. November The Complete Argo, Emarcy and Verve Small Group Buddy Rich Sessions (MD7-232) 7 CDs $119 These small group sessions (1953 - 1961) are a true testament to the awesome drive and technique of this remarkable personality in performances that paired him with 'Sweets'Edison, Benny Carter, George Auld (ts), Thad Jones, Joe Newman, Ben Webster, Frank Wess, Oscar Peterson, Sonny Criss, Jimmy Rowles, Barney Kessel, Frank Rosolino, Bob Cooper. Added to this is his live Miami album on Verve with Flip Phillips; his EmArcy recordings with Markie Markowitz, Willie Dennis, Seldon Powell, Mike Mainieri and Dave McKenna and all three albums by the band with Sam Most and Mainieri, one of which isissued in this set for the first time. FUTURE PROJECTS Mosaic Record Boxed Sets Oliver Nelson: The Verve/Impulse Big Band Studio Sessions (5 CDs) This set will contain all of Oliver Nelson's big band recordings for Verve, Argo and Impulse, some of which were issued under Leonard Feather's name or as the Jazz Interactions Orchestra. It will also contain all the sessions that he arranged with big band instrumentation for Shirley Scott and Pee Wee Russell on Impulse and for Jimmy Smith on Verve. Chu Berry (7 CDs) Selected recordings from labels owned by Sony/BMG Includes small group studio sessions with Bessie Smith, Billie Holiday, Red Allen, Teddy Wilson, Lionel Hampton, Gene Krupa and Wingy Manone. Also included are sides when he was a member of the Fletcher Henderson and Cab Calloway big bands. Mosaic Selects Mosaic Select: Sidney Bechet (3 CDs) A Mosaic Select covering his important first recordings with the Clarence Williams Blue Five; the Bechet-led studio sessions from the 30s on Vocalion and the Noble Sissle sides for Variety; in addition to the Bechet Quartet Columbia dates from the late 40s and a session with Bob Wilber, who will be our liner note writer for the set. Mosaic Select: Gerry Mulligan (3 CDs) In December 1957, Pacific Jazz's Dick Bock came to New York to record Gerry Mulligan. In the space of two weeks, they made four albums together, each with a concept and each unique to Mulligan's discography. "The Gerry Mulligan Songbook" feature great Mulligan compositions from the past with an all-star sax section arranged by Bill Holman. "Reunion" brought Mulligan and Chet Baker together for the first time in over four years. "Annie Ross Sings A Song Of Mulligan" features Miss Ross backed by the Mulligan's current quartet with Art Farmer, as well as the reunion quartet with Chet Baker. "Stringtime," which was not released at the time, features Mulligan and Dave Bailey with the Vinnie Burke String Quartet. The full session is issued here for the first time. Mosaic Select: Tony Williams (3 CDs) This set features Tony Williams' 1985 return to Blue Note "Foreign Intrigue" with Wallace Roney, Donald Harrison, Bobby Hutcherson, Mulgrew Miller and Ron Carter as well as all four studio albums by the great acoustic quintet that Williams led from 1986 to 1991 with Roney, Bill Pierce, Miller and a variety of bassists. Mosaic Select: McCoy Tyner (3 CDs) This set contains all six sessions recorded by Tyner for Blue Note between August 1968 and September 1970. This includes "Expansions," "Extension," "Asante" and three sessions not issued at the time which later appeared on the double album "Cosmos." This was one of Tyner's most overlooked and highly creative periods.

I am glad you could share your thoughts here - it was touching to read them.

Yeah, I heard that from LB back in Lawrence in 1983 Come to think of it, Roy Wms said the same thing 15 years later ...

LOL

Not to my knowledge, but it has come out on a new LP in the last few years.

Born to be Blue with Ike Quebec

Definitely. I stumbled on to this doing a McLaughlin search on AMG. Could not even find a "one star" GEMM dealer selling a G+++ copy for $75 ...