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Out of the albums that you mentioned, which would you say are the least structured? San Francisco, probably, or rather the bonus album therein. But plenty of stuff on those in your list is pretty structured (Dolphy and Tyner for one, and Ornette's c major music, too, really). Donauseschingen certainly is a good suggestion, too! I don't see "lack of structure" as a point of interest, rather how structure (or form) is used, how tradition is being expanded and stretched into new areas (which is maybe why "Mama Too Tight" is my favourite Shepp, you can hear Ellington in there ... and which is why ultimately I prefer Mingus or Dolphy or Ornette to, say, Charles Gayle, Frank Wright and others that are more on the berserk end of the spectrum. As for "the more dissonant ..." - different genre, but try some Phill Niblock (make sure no animals are harmed, though). At the present time, a lack of traditional structure and consonance is not only a point of interest for me, it's my primary interest. I'm currently interested in hearing the least traditional, least structured offerings in each artist's catalog. I'm less interested in hearing a representative sampling of Artie Shepp's work than I am in hearing his least structured albums. Have to agree w/ other posters -- you're pretty far from the least structured possible with the list in your first post. Try tracking down stuff on BYG Actuel, or ESP-Disk for the original way out there material & go hunting for stuff billed as "energy music" for more recent vintage. My rec would be for you to start w/ a copy of either Brotzmann's Machine Gun or Nipples.

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King Ubu said: . But then again, if David mentions such a breakdown take with a great Hubbard solo ... I'd be all for hearing that - that might even be of more interest than an alternate take that was for decades considered too close to the master to be worthy of release. If I was in charge, I might throw some compilations of leftovers out and test the market for that - buying the same over and over again for yet another alternate take or yet another remastering does get tiresome, even to unbounded enthusiasts like yours truly The adoption of that philosphy is one of the reasons, IMO, that the Complete Sun Ship Session is such a good set. I love hearing the "mistakes."

I was never the same after this one.

I just received a copy of Gilbert Holmstrom Kvintett's Utan Misstankar CD in the mail today & I'm enjoying it quite a bit. This is my first exposure to Holmstrom and I was wondering if anyone had any recommendations for other works by him. Thanks Scott

Kinda/sorta a box set of promo copies on the cheap from Jazz Loft right now. Here's the link to the outside box, they also have an inside one. http://www.jazzloft.com/p-56819-50-cd-grab-bag-avant-garde-jazz.aspx

Fire! Marc Ribot's Ceramic Dog You might also want to look at the Cuneiform Records website, they have a lot of bands that might be in your wheelhouse. Scott