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Tuxe-DOH!

Are we talking only "jazz" vocals here, or will there be an assortment of great singers in a variety of tasty settings and contexts?

I look for batshit crazy in the chord progressions, or the production, or the lyrics, or some combination...something that is not "mainstream" in sensibility but gets by anyway. The type of thing that if you actually look at objectively makes you go "hmmmm....." Put it this way - if The Association's "Everything That Touches You" was a plate of food, would you eat it? Think carefully before answering, because that thing starts out pretty dense, and before it's over is throbbing and splashing and yelling right up in your face...

Our laws allow for "fair use", which allows for copying for personal use. "Sharing" is not specifically prohibited by the law, although the line between "sharing" and "mass distribution" has yet to be drawn. But if sharing copies of a needle-drop of some obscure 70s funk album, or some early 50s pop album is cause for legal concern, it has yet to manifest itself. The type of downloading that I advocate is pretty much in that realm - non-improved copies of unavailable material, shared, not sold, for personal use only. And if it is of an improved copy of something legitimately available, listen do it, then buy it if you feel you need it, delete it if you don't. That type of download is for audition purposes only, and should not be used as a substitute purchase. Sharing for wither the purpose of true sharing, or to encourage legitimate commerce, not derail it. The law seems to allow it. That's why. Now - why do you think that the laws of your country should allow for mass-quantity xeroxing of others' improvements to be sold for profit without paying the improvers? Now that Public Domain laws are covering a medium where there is a lot of material in some pretty "concrete" forms, where is the legal and/or marketplace incentive to to it right and do it fairly? It's up to the consumers to set the bar, apparently, and it looks like consumers have their heads up their asses. We used to have these discussions about used CDs and such. Now it's about downloads, because the capacity of the internet to become the world's largest used record store is very real. Seriously? You're using ASCAP as a "legal reference"? ASCAP don't make no laws!

Oh, I get it. Why am I not bitching about the labels that ripped off Ace? Because this thread is about Jordi Pujol. Or was. Bottom line, if you do it right and add value of your own, cool. More power (and market share) to you. If not, fuck you. And if you can't tell the difference, fuck you too. It's not brain surgery.

Man, are you a mess! Ace did it right. No problem with doing it right. No problem whatsoever. Answered,as requested. Next?

Yep. They contribute nothing of their own. "Free" has its limits, of course, but to offer for sale a product which is identical to what could be had for free - or in improved form straight from the entity that is doing the improvement - is cynical, cheap, insulting, and...quite viable, apparently. Not too terribly long ago, somebody here did a bunch of genealogical work on what they were releasing and in every case, it could be traced back to a previous product done right by somebody else (or free sources available to anybody with the internet and a little curiosity). Every time. There are some people here who are so wrapped up in resentment towards "things American" that they are willing to see "the giant" "brought down to size" by any means, without regard to the long-term consequences. It excites them, in fact! Such people are a true drag on civilization and should be taken to the nearest Wal-Mart and be left as cultural orphans. They'll feel right at home.

Wrong. You're jumping to conclusions. Erroneous ones. Actually I am willing to pay if there is something that I feel is worth the money on the premise that it will last. Just like most other reasonable persons. It's a tradeoff between price and quality. Some goods may not offer enough quality for the price they're sold at, some may be a real good deal, but AGAIN - these are subjective criteria on which the sale (or non-sale) of ANYTHING in this world is based. So no matter how much you rant, you just cannot impose any set standards on what is supposed to be worth how much to EACH AND EVERY potential "customer". Because there are none. It is and remains highly subjective. As for folks heading back into the mud, well, those who apparently are content throughout with free downloadable expendable throwaway burns, rips etc. on limited-life drives or CD-Rs are already that far ahead on their route into their existence of throwaway, ephemeral built-in-obsolescence muddiness that nobody who is still prepared to pay for anything that will last will ever be able to catch up with them - ever. Here's your trophy. Enjoy! As long as you defend and subsidize needledrops and CD rips as acceptable, you are lowering the bar as to what is acceptable retail product. You've heard it here more than once from more than one person - what incentive do people have to do this stuff right when the marketplace gobbles up Pujol's second-hand (and what a rancid hand it is!) Free sharity downloads are temporary fixes, placeholders until a real, quality retail product comes along. This Fresh Sound shit is not that quality product, but thanks to all the slopeheads who will settle in the retail realm, it might well be the final product. File under "Welcome To Andorra! May I take your order?" Two deserving parties find true love at last!

Oh really? If I sell it, yeah, composers have rights. But if I gift it to my friends, if no money changes hands, then what? I make a "mixtape" of Public Domain material for my friends as a gift, who is owed what, exactly? Nobody? Nothing? Sounds right. If I circulate said mixtape to my friends over the internet, who is owed what, and on what basis? Nobody? Nothing? Still sounds right. Now, if one of my "friends" takes my mixtape and starts selling it "as is", then yes, we have a problem. But only then.

Big BS - your fetishism of objects has revealed itself to be damn near absolute, quality be damned just give you something you can hold in your hands, OBJECTS, no matter how piss-poorly and/or half-ass done they are. Enjoy your Sloppy Seconds with Judy. The supply will be endless believe me, as will the damn fools who can't tell the difference between PD done right & PD done for and by cheap thrill-seekers. Evolution be damned, some folks just can't wait to head back to the mud! I just hope he's not a Patriots fan!

Japan has beautifuler women, tastier food, better manners, and higher audio standards than anything in the land of Proper, LoneHill or Fresh Sound. They get at least a 20 point headstart on Style Points alone. My advice to Jordi Pulledhole - take some lessons from the Japanese. Get some prettier girls, some better food, learn some manners (at least learn how to tell lies better), and learn how to make your shit sound right. Oh, but that's too much work, and really, there's no incentive when his market is make up to The Sloppy Secondeers. Japan is lucky that way...

So it seems like there really are those who feel sorry about not being able to take control (or to see control being taken by somebody they would feel comfortable with) on something that they've lost control of (because these items have gone PD elsewhere) so they now start acting like "if I cannot ensure control is being taken by those who I'd like to take control then I'll see to it that these things are distributed freely so nobody takes control." The bottom line? Sour grapes, that's all. Now I'll call GIGA-bullshit on that. Because it's not about any MORAL "triumph" at all. It's only about availability of marketable goods in a package that suits the buyers' expectations and pocketbooks. You pay what you are prepared to pay. If you are not prepared to pay - fine. But others decide differently and that's only THEIR VERY OWN decision and judgment, not yours. Because nobody forces them to pay. Just like some would even want to shell out double or triple the normal amount of money for Mosaics though fidelity or packaging cannot be possibly three or four times better than on other, more "mundane" reissues (PD or not). Tastes and expectations vary, and the legal situation being the way it is, there is room for everybody within that legal framework. Sour grapes? Look Styve- I think the shit should be given away. Who "controls" that? It's PUBLIC DOMAIN. and the technology now exists to do just that - give it away. Distribute those basic music files in lossless format, anybody. Add value by bringing new original mastering, relevant essays, something that amounts to getting something for your money besides a cheap xeroxing of the music. Or is all this talk about "fairness" only apply to the musical tire dealers who want to make money sell retreads? This shit lowers the quality of life for everybody. You're acting like the highewst level of Public domain is to allow any bottom-feeded to sell stuff. It's this mentality that thought it was cool to fuck Judy Garland when she was 40. Sure she was a washed up mess of limite ability, but by god, she was JUDY GARLAND. A freakin' TROPHY for the vulgarian. Read your own words: It's only about availability of marketable goods in a package that suits the buyers' expectations and pocketbooks. What part of universal availability at no cost is so offensive to you and fires up those "must possess" genes? The fetishism of "physical product"? I think so. So what kind of physical product? Sloppy seconds, that's what kind, if you're happy with needledrops and xeroxes of other people's work. If you're going to pay for something, pay for value ADDED, not valued removed. A little piece of plastic and some pisspoor photocopy of an old album cover with some little wankjob of "liner notes" is not value added. It's rat bait, pure and simple. Here you go, "Big Beat" (which is what you'll be before this is all over). The new marketplace of inferior product at a price you can afford in a format that gives you a stiffie awaits. It's all yours! Fucking vulgarians, they'll stick their stuff into any damn thing and be happy about it.

The Turtles? Definitely batshit crazy!

REead the autopsy here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunshine_pop

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Hat-tipping in progress!

Which is what I meant when I spoke above about "being afraid of losing control". Ok, I'll call MEGA bullshit on this. If there's no legal compulsion to sell PD material and it is indeed ok to freely giving it away/sharing it, then the real heroes are the people who do just that, the real gangstas are the ones who sell needle drops and CD burns, and the real junkies are the people who are dumb enough to think they're being done favors. Some y'all seem like it's a moral triumph or something to finally being able to make money off of something that fell into your lap. FUCK that. That's not about losing control, that's about taking control. Sorry y'all din't have the cultural wherewithal to make all thismusic, but now taht it's been made, now that it's been 50 years, and now that there's the internet, selling it in the trifling-ass way that is being done by Fresh Sounds, etc. is a fool's game, and the fools are those of you who buy it thinking that you're not getting played for the chumps you are.

I'll ask this question once again, since it seems to be the elephant in the room - do PD laws anywhere compel that the material in question be sold?

Sleep tight, matey!