JSngry

"Free jazz" encompasses a lot of different musics. What kind specifically is not clicking for you? Then again, I'd not sweat it too much. There's a lot of different roads that all lead to more or less the same place, and sooner or later they all intersect. Keeping an open mind/soul is important, but so is not trying too hard to force what don't fit. Main thing I can say is that respect for sincere expression is at least as important as "understanding" it, definitely more important than "liking" it. If you can respect that there are people sincerely and meaningfully speaking a language that you don't understand and that that's cool all around, hey, follow your own bliss.

Indeed! May I direct you to: http://www.organissimo.org/forum/index.php...mp;#entry733082 This is a big part of how/where I grew up.

This is beautiful, all of it.

Sounds like a good guy doing necessary work. :tup :tup

From The Gladewater Mirror: http://www.gladewatermirror.com/oneweekago/features.htm

Did he record, if so, what's a good place to hear him?

Chester was on Black Market, right?

He was on I Sing The Body Electric, Live In Tokyo, & Sweetnighter.

Lest there be any misunderstanding, I grew up in a small town (population <7500) where articles like this were the bread and butter of the local paper. So the humor I see here is one based wholly in affection, as well as the fact that it's a little weird to see what could have something from The Gladewater Mirror showing up in the Chicago Trib.

Form and function! :tup :tup

Wow, that's odd.

And she never got busted? Wow, talk about lucky!

Yikes! Yeah, how else indeed but to be prolific and by keeping busy?

Good luck on that one.

Let's give it some time, ok?

Damn, I read the board top-down, so I missed this until now, so sorry about that... Man, it happens. It happens a lot. All I can hope is that y'all's relationship had enough good times that it's not left either one of you permanently soured on the idea of love per se. That would be a triumph of "evil", that would... It's easy to say, and I don't know how much cred I have in saying it, but stay as strong as possible, stay as positive as possible, and do what you gotta do to believe that this is the end of one chapter, not the end of the whole book. You may not "know" us, but you do, and we you. Lotta love built up here over the years, and it's here when you need it.

Well, it's just that over the years, I've persoanlly known and worked with.... hmmm... 4 musicians who've been in and out of the big house for various non-violent offenses. Good players all, good guys too, just some "wrong place, wrong time" shit. But it would appear to be true that prison changes you once and for all... Never have worked with an ex-prison guard, though.

Yeah, this was telling, I thought: The fact of the matter is that although a lot of this music's recordings took place in (or on the fringes of) a "conventional" commercial arena (Peacock, Savoy, Apollo, Specialty, etc.), due to the nature of both its intent and its audience, I'd not be surprised to find out that a lot of it got made locally/regionally for a very specific audience and that it never dented the consciousness of anybody other than that immediate audience. Which means that, yeah, there really might be a lot of work to be done!

Am I the only one who sees a bit of dry, sick humor in a former prison guard, instead of a former prisoner, being in a band?

Dude, I ain't goin' nowhere.

I'm hoping JS will re-consider. I volunteered to be a moderator to help Jim out. to relieve some of the stress that administering the board was causing him. If there's going to be a big stink about a "bullying moderator" every time I piss somebody off, rightly or wrongly (and I'd like to think that I have a history of recognizing when I've caused inadvertent offense and acknowledging same), then that's not helping Jim. And apparently there's always going to be the risk of that, because of the whole fixation that some people have with the "power of the post count", as if the number of posts you have equates with the amount of land you own or something like that. Wake up folks - this is cyberspace, not The Old West. There is no such thing as "land" here. All posts are equal going in, and the only thing that gives any post "power" is people deciding that they're going to let it have some. That means that if you like something I post, you are choosing to like it, and if you don't like it, you are choosing to not like it. The cool thing about cyberspace is that you can pretty much "be" anybody you want to be - if you believe in yourself enough to be that somebody. If you don't, then nobody can bring you up but yourself. Unlike real life, where there's always bosses and co-workers who you need to form alliances with and against in ways that inevitably end up having nothing to do with "the work at hand", in a community such as this, it's all about the content. And as Jim correctly implies, your content is what you make of it. Look - over the years I've gottten into diputes here with people for whom I have the highest respect for about things like house music, opera, Sonny Rollins, Wayne Shorter, Max Roach, imaginary "what are you listening to now" posts, all kinds of things. Hell Chuck's all but called me an apostate for getting into the dance music thing like I have. Do I now, or have I ever felt "bullied" by these disagreements? Frankly, yeah, but only for a moment. I think it's totally natural for one's first reaction to be one of "betrayal" when somebody whom you love/respect/whatever tells you that for all intents and purposes that you're full of shit. But then you have three choices - retreat into submission ("I'll not say that again!"), play the passive-agressive card ("well, I'm not as fill in the blank as you, so what do I know other than what I like, wrong as it probably is" ) or you can just accept the fact that you're never going to agree on everything with everybody, accept that some things you disagree with some people about are going to bring out some fire in them, and accept that love ain't always gonna be pretty, but even when it's ugly, it's still love, and love beats the alternative any day. I really feel bad that Hot Ptah felt that: That's a bit....never mind. And it appears that he might have some shit going on in his persopanl lfe that's stressing him out. Hey, it happens, and I can relate. But the notion that the dialogue on this board has to take only one "tone" because me or a few other posters accept it, participate in it, at times even thrive in it, is, unfortunately, a self-fulfilling prophecy. This board is a blank canvas - you can put on it what you want to. Now, if you're looking to express yourself, hey, go for that. Right on! Just know that not everybody here is gonna dig it. And if you're looking for "recreational value", hey, go for that too. Right on! Just know that not everybody here is here for that type experience - some people are here to talk about music in depth and with passion, which means that it ain't alwasy gonna be sweetness and light, because life ain't always sweetness and light, so music - and the in-depth discussion of it - ain't always gonna be either. If those type discussion aren't for you, hey, they're not always for me either. But I ain't gonna let it ruin my day, and I sure ain't gonna feel like The Big Bad Organissimo Board is oppressing me and/or depriving me of my peronal dignity. Whaddup with THAT? Yes, this is what I think, how I feel, and this is the attitude that I carry into my dialogues here on the board. As much as I would really like to assist Jim w/moderation duties, it is apparent to me that this attitude is not compatable with carrying an "official" title (although, geez, all I did while I was a moderator was delete some newbie's personal phone # from a post, kill a few overt spam posts, move a few threads, and delete a few duplcate posts. Hardly a chance to get "drunk with power" or anything ). If I'm going to be seen by some as an asshole (and I guess I'm going to be), let me be seen as being My Own Personal Asshole (wasn't that a "feel good" movie back in the 90s?), not The Asshole Who Helps Run The Organissimo Board. Part of me feels selfish in placing my own need to post over the need to assist w/administrative duties, but another part of me recognizes that I ain't ready to sit back and not express an opinion anymore - actually, I'm incapable of it right now, still - and that my "role" as "content provider" here is still valued by some. So, in a conflict of interest that's inevitably going to cause friction from time to time, I'm choosing the scenario that will displace the friction to me personally and not to The Organissimo Board Administration. I can hear it now, somebody somewhere is going to be saying "well that's all good and shit, but the bottom line is that you still set the tone for the board and if we don't like it we can't do anything about it and etcetcetc" Look - for once and for all - You have a choice as to what you do or do not say. You have a choice as toi how you "feel". You have a choice as to whether or not somebody who disagrees with you "makes" you "feel bad" or not. You have a choice as to how much or how little comfort you feel with your belief in your convictions. In short - use your choices, and use them to be who you want to be. It's the adult thing to do. Now, I'm starting to sound like a freakin' bad motivational speaker, I'm definitely getting sick of talking about myself, and I really don't think that Oscar Peterson is worth all this drama. Can we possibly just move on now?

Clyde McCoy Stanley Turrentine The McGuire Sisters

Stan Kenton Bob Gioga Ted Gioa

Jeezziskryst, is this going to be another meldown/tantrum day? If it is, leave me out of it. I just want to talk about the music in a hopefully nuanced manner, not cause anxiety attacks across the globe. On second though, fuck it. Oscar Peterson ain't worth it. Really, there ain't that much to discuss when you get right down to it. If I hadn't resigned as moderator, I'd close this thread. The (self-censorship in action)s win this one. Larry, MG, or Jim, when you get a chance, please, as they say in my conversations with my co-workers in Mumbai, kindly do the needful.

Yeah, that sounds about right. the guy used to really piss me off sometimes with his off-the-wall comments about some of the jazz records he reviewed. The one that really got me was when he reviewed the Capitol JAzz Classics LPs and compared the scat singing on the Woody Herman side to Rudy Valee! Now I thnk it's pretty funny, but then....