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Exactly. That for me is the part where you wanna say, "Uh...let's think about this for a second, ok?" But then the cat talks about the whole "love your enemy" thing being used to weaken self-respect and foster a slave mentality, and you gotta say, "Uh...let's think about this for a second, ok?" again, only in a completely different way. I guess I never get tired - yet - of hearing this type of drama get played out, probably because it's far from played out in "real life", all sorts of disingenuous protestations to the contrary. Games is games, and to see one side matching the games of the other with equal or greater aplomb is - used to be anyway - part of the Circus Of Life for me. Although, recent discoveries (and I think you know what I mean, more or less) have given me hope that it is finally being left behind by a percentage of a new generation of all concerned. Really, that's the only way to make it work, to disempower it by just letting it go and not picking it back up, no matter what. That's gonna need to be an omnilateral move in order to fully succeed, but hey, let's all do our own part and see what happens, right? The "fighter" in me still wonders if that's a smart move, but another part of me now wonders if the fighter in me is always the best guy to listen to... Sometimes yes, sometimes no, and on and on it goes... Yep.

I guess you were surprised, then? Can't say that I was. I spent a fair part of the 70s around some musicians who were into that whole Afro-Nubian-Historical bag, as well as the "science" of language deconstruction. Hearing Ra expound was like hearing a clearer (much clearer) version of what these cats were into. Such an indiscriminate mix of profound truths and total delusional bullshit that after a while it all belnds together and "suspension of disbelief" (as well as a refusal to believe) is very much the order of the day. Either that or just walking away and completely ignoring it, which I couldn't do, just out of fascination. And "racism"...that one's tricky for me...the words could defintiely be construed that way, and I've seen them applied in such a way in the heat of rhetoric. But I've also seen them applied as "general commentary" w/o any individual animus at all intended, as well as occasionally being offered a seemingly genuine apology when the talk got a little too heated. So I don't know...race history in the whole Euro\Afro interactions have led to such a twisted legacy that I don't hold a grudge angainst too much of anything short of actual physical assault (which I've never yet received) & just hope that somehow it's all eventually going somewhere better.

I want more lectures! Seriously!

I got a MGM yellow-label DJ promo 45 (the kind with a "lion" doing an anthromorphich Dick Clark imitation) of Ella corlaboreating with Elsie the Borden Cow called "Elmer's New Tune Ain't No Bull". Arrangement by Frank DeVol.

They're none too bad.

Geez, I dunno... Is moaning during sex ok?

RE:Gordon/Evin on Prestige. there's a private live tape circulating of a little bit one of the Gordon/Evin/Rollins concerts that precipitated that album that suggests that maybe David Himmelstein was merely caught up in the moment...

Yup. Great session! Some interesting crossover in personnel there to the Heiner Stadler Brains On Fire thing. Farrell, Brown, & Phillips. And Thad would, of course, work with Stadler later on. Not sure if there's a "meaninful" connection, but it's an interesting one, at least to me.

I got that one where Ella forgets the words. Who could forget that?! Some DJ oughta chop that shit up and make it collaborate with Joe McPhee, Dave Garroway, & one of them Melvin Van Peebles A&M sides (I got a 45 of "Lilli Did The..." if source material is needed). Collaborate is where it's at today, bay-bee!

I have no way to vouch for the veracity of this, but James Clay used to tell that Miles had called him for the gig pre-Trane.

:D :D And now yours: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTfoBJJmijU...ted&search= (wtf? was The Judge on his way to a salsa gig?)

Never mind all that, check it out - Sahib Shihab and Patti Bown. HEY. (and because of that, no points deducted for Phil Woods and his goofy ass hat, which I thought was a more "recent" addition, but no, I guess not.)

What part of the 70s?

It's less (much less) about money and more (much more) about "culture" - who "owns" it and who gets to "channel" it. I personally think that freelancer is getting it more "right" than Billy Harper (who I love like few other), at least in terms of cause. But when it comes to effect...you gotta wonder how Michael Brecker (no dis intended, honestly, this ain't about just music) got to be the Tenor Voice Of A Generation when Billy Harper got to spend a lifetime as at best a cult figure. Sure, there's issues of "business" and such that some people "play" a helluva lot better than others and that's in no way to be minimized and is in no way intrinsically nefarious, but then again, "the system" can keep a name in play for a good long time or else it can decide to let that name go off into the breeze. Billy Harper got a bit of push in the early 70s, seemed willing to play the game just a little but not very much and by the mif-70s was somebody who if you didn't know about by now, you weren't going to. Not saying that there's a Racial/Racist/Whatever motivation for all/any of this, but ya' know, this is people doing business, and it's normal for people, any/all people to gravitate towards that which overall offers the least resistance from without and from within. Let's not inflate this into a Grand Conspiracy, but let's not negate this by pretending that it's not a very real factor in The Way Things Work (For Real) either. Now, you take Wynton's thing at LC. In some ways, that should have been a Major Cultural Triumph, deaing as it on the surface appears to with issues like "ownership" of the music, "self-definition", etc., issues that have long been simmering in many more minds than the casual white fan could even begin to imagine. But look closer - this gig was created by Reader's Fucking Digest MoneyPeople. It's the biggest Jazz Plantation ever, and Wynton is the House...you know. And it is so not focused on evolving the music/culture organically as much as it is on propagating an (desperately attempting to become "the") official version of what this music is now, has been, and always will be forevermore. And it's version that was "selected" by fucking Readers Digest MoneyPeople. Laughter is not the best medicine here... Still, I think that freelancer's got it right overall, although the Billy Harper POV comes into play as to one among many, many possibilities as to why, maybe, there's not an AACM type "in the community" presence across the land. When thigs got "difficult", "culture" got steered in a certain direction, probably simply because that's where the money was at the time, and at the time, money was cruical. But once there, what? Are you gonna work on getting it home again or are you just gonna take it under your wing and claim it as your own? The parallels to post-Katrina are kinda...."interesting"... Again, it's nowhere near "that simple". But it's not that easy either...

Yep.

Drummer was Renell Gonsalves, son of Paul Gonsalves. Just wondering what their thing was.

This was real:

This only for America, right? So what's to keep netcasts from popping up all over the globe, and what's to keep americans from getting their progamming placed there?

No idea.

Well, yeah. How else could he have died?

Just to reiterate - none of the music on the Hancock side is composed by Herbie.

Gee, I'd have bet he did. Yep. but apparently not. Go figure.