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That stuff is at once jive and hip. Studio-funk-fusion, but not without some musical thinking and creativity going into it along the way. Very much of its time in terms of the new generation of jazz-players-entering-the-pop/studio-world, and definitely NY-ish in outlook. I'll put it this way - if you never hear it, no biggie. But if you do, you'll likely find some things here and there that pique your interest.

Well, I could understand it, but I thought it was a bit of overstatement based on Joe's personal frustration. Joe was a huge influence on that whole school/generation of tenor players, & Brecker was no exception. But as you note, he developed his own voice to speak the vocabulary. Joe was no doubt a little pissed at seeing somebody like Brecker get all the adulation and $$$, but can you really see Joe Henderson playing on a Cameo record? The industry don't reward source, the industry rewards those who play along. And Joe, god bless him, wasn't that kind of guy.

Jim, are you sure that was Brecker? I thought it was David Sanborn. Definitely Brecker. Sanborn was on "How Sweet It Is".

http://www.amyaok.com/amyaokss011507.htm Found this thru an eBay link. Surprisingly large # of samples available. Samples run around 2:30 or so. Very generous playing time for such a thing, I think. Not interested? Antagonistic to the idea? Fine. Don't go! Doubt that anything there will change your mind. Ain't no "jazz" there. Although there is something by Bird: http://www.amyaok.com/soundsample/beatsbirdnysinst.rm But it's not Charlie Parker... Some pretty nifty grooves, though. Something to think about if you're so inclined.

Agree that the ABA-NBA cultural clash was more pronounced, but I gotta say that the AFL-NFL clash seemed more pronounced because of the timing. The 70s were already accustomed to such things, but in the 60s, it was like, well... the 60s. And yeah, the AFL had significant backing from Hunt, but he was mostly a rich guy who wouldn't take no for an answer and fell into "renegade" status almost by default). Then again, He wasn't the "spiritual leader" of the thing. I think for that, you gotta look at Al Davis (if you only know him as today's eccentric old coot, you don't know the real Al Davis...) & Sonny Werblin (whose signing of Namath was in many ways the "shot heard 'round the world" that ultimately led to the NFL figuring it was better to assimilate these renegades than it ws to try & run them out of business), neither of whom were charter owners, but both of whom really set the tone for the league's attitude. Also of note (and someting that I distinctly remember having brought to my attention by many people as a kid growing up in a racist culture) is that the AFL was definitely a "blacker" league. Seems like the NFL, although integrated, didn't pursue black talent nearly to the degree that the AFL did. As acollector of foootball cards back then, the NFL players always looked "cleaner" - and whiter. The AFL players were kinda wild looking a lot of times, and ther were a lot more black players in the mix. In the 60s, that was something that called attention to itself. We take so much of today's pro sports dynamics for granted that it's easy to forget (or to never know) that things weren't always like this. Everything's so controlled and uniform (the notion of planned "parity" is one that I still struggle with, although there's no denying that as a a "business plan" it's hard to argue with) that the idea of rival leagues who really were rivals, as in enemies at all levels (I remember that when the merger was first announced, the earliest prelinary report had the Cowboys moving to the AFL/AFC. I saw grown men curse and cry about that. Seriously!) may be hard to grasp. But it was real, and it was something that you don't forget if you were involved in it, even as a fan. Sorry to throw the thread off into historyland but hell, we spend so much time talking about old music, what can it hurt to talk about old football every now & then? And if somebody pops in & tells me that they actuallu saw Don Hutson play, hey - they'll be my hero for life!

Well see, that's the problem right there - he's got the personality vibe of Steve Young & the lifestyle accoutrements of Joe Namath. That's a recipie for annoyance if ever there was one! Yeah, Staubach was pretty stiff, but you gotta remember that he had served four yeas in the Navy before coming to the NFL. He was already "old" before he hit the league. Then again, you'd expect more from a sailor... GA Russell remembers the AFL on ABC? Wow, dude, you're old! Speaking of teams w/"charachter", a few years ago I saw a documentary about the old Chicago Cardinals. Talk about a rag-tag bunch of players of varying skills who hit the field ready to party! The NFL would not let a team like that exist today! Most interesting team in NFL history (that I know of) has to be the original Dallas Texans (no not the AFL team). http://www.footballresearch.com/articles/f...?topic=dallas52 This is the team that would become the Baltimore Colts! Do we have any real old-timers here who remember the All-American Football Conference? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-America_Football_Conference The 49ers & Browns started life here, as did a Baltimore Colts franchise that folded, only to be reborn from the afore-mentioned Texans. Most of us only know the NFL as a mega-successful corporate juggernaut, but the truth is that for many decades, it, and pro football in general were a decidedly second-tier enterprise. Baseball ruled the roost, and pro football was seen as a seedy alternative to wholesome college ball. The AAFC & the AFL both have fascinating histories, as does the pre-1958 NFL (I say 1958 because that's generally considered to be the turning point of when the tide of public perception began to turn, after the dramatic sudden-death Giants Colts championship game that "bled over" into NBC's prime time schedule). For efficiency, skills, and sheer athleticism, give me today's game. But for character and "color", the old guys win hands-down, especially those from the time when the game really wasn't all that popular. That was a whole 'nother game, time, and place!

The Pats are annoying today for the same reason the Cowboys were annoying back in the 70s. Cold, mechanical, soul-less (but not as bad as the CBoyss were - nobody could be that soul-less!) robots who just win win win. And win. They annoy the shit outta me (Brady in particular, who makes Staubach seem like Namath in terms of "personality"), but I give'em full props. They're a disciplined focused team, and they deserved to beat SD today. The Chargers were anything but disciplined and focused. What was up w/that bullshit unsportsmanlike thing that kept the Pats drive alive? And the fumble on the punt return? Your guys don't do shit like that, and when the other team does, they invariably find a way to capitalize on it. That's the mark of a true champion. I just wish they were more...fun. Hell, even the Boys gave us momentary freakshows like Duane "If It's The Ultimate Game, Why Do They Play It Next Year?: Thomas and Hollywood "Things Go Better With Coke" Henderson to break the monotony. But they do win, and that's the ultimate object of the game, isn't it. Can't fault that. I just like a little more, uh, "human interest" with my sports. Boring efficiency I get enough of the other six days of the week. That's probably the way a lot of other people feel too, I suspect, and that's probably why the vibe. But as far as your history w/the team goes, hey, I was just pulling your leg on that. Really, I was. Apologies if I led you to believe otherwise. Although, if you want to have some fun, go back and check out the old AFL, of which the Boston Patriots were a part. Talk about characters, hell, the whole league was one giant character! But there were some great players in that mix, including a personal favorite, Lance Alworth (long-time Charger, finished up as a Cowboy), who still remains the singlemost graceful wide receiver I've ever seen. They called him "Bambi", and it was not a dig. The cat was an artist. What prime Ozzie Smith was to shortstops, Lance Alworth was to wide recievers. Closest I've seen on a consistent basis since has been prime Wayne Chrebet, but even he doesn't top Alworth in my book. People who aren't old enough to remember the AFL don't know what they missed, much less understand what a big deal the first 5 or so super bowls really were. When Namath's Jets beat the Colts in SB III, it was more than a little upsetting, truly upsetting, to a helluva lot of people (and when the Colts were designated to become AFC once the merger became official, a lot of people were both distraught and livid!). The AFL was to the NFL what RFK was to Nixon, and in the climate of the times, people took that shit seriously! Everybody thought for sure that Joe Kapp & the Vikings would right the grievious wrong against the Chiefs in SB IV, but Hank Stram had a new little twist called "bump & run" that made it clear that the NFL was waaaay behind the curve, and that the AFL was the future. Two years in a row - the world was coming to an end! And then the merger took full effect, things settled down, and here we are. Today it's just NFC vs AFC. Not the same thing. Not even the same thing.

I hate the Pats, obviously, but if I was to bet on them vs the Colts, it's a no-brainer. Pats all the way. The fuckers.

Why limit our choices in dolphin hues (and music) to what we assume are the only choices? edit - these particular dolphins appear to exist in Asia. I've also seen pink dolphins personally, swimming in the Amazon River (them, not me!) . Well see, there you have it. Unlimited options in dolphin color, apparently, yet everybody just keeps on accepting freakin' green as the way to go, never considering all the other possibilities. THAT'S what I'm talking about!

So the ice finally hit Austin? Our son drove through there about 2 this afternoon on his way back from a weekend in San Marcos and reported no ice, much to our relief. It was supposed to have come through earlier that morning from what we were hearing here, and we were more than a little concerned, what with him having zero experience driving in winter weather. Be careful. Ice sucks!

"We," and "us" refer to all who have followed our team for many years. "You" refers to Dallas Cowboy fans. "Our" team? Dude, my team sucks, but I'm stuck with 'em by the curse of geo-loyalty. I was a Raiders fan back in the 70s (hated the Landry/Schramm God's Robots with a purple passion), but not yet then having ever travelled west of Fort Worth, I never called them "we". And back when it was cool to be one, I used to get pissed at Cowboys fans who had never been south of Greenland calling the Cowboys "us". Too many people like to hitch on to a winner just to be on the winning side. Now, if you can remember the Boston Patriots, games in Fenway, and the AFL on NBC, I can cut you some slack on the "we" business. Or, if you're not old enough, if you can give me, wothout looking it up, the uniform #s of Gino Cappelletti, Nick Buoniconti (yeah, he was a Pat before he was a Dolphin), and tell me who took Lou Saban's place when he went to Buffalo, then an "honorary we" is definitely yours. Otherwise, "my team" is good enough. Oh, btw - tongue's firmly in cheek for all of the above, except for hating the 60s/70s Cowboys and about them sucking now. I did, and they do.

The one and only, as in "The Onliest Monk".

You call that work?

Who is "we", Mr. Probably Never Been To New England In His Life?

So do I, but they're one helluva team.

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Indeed he did.

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I think it was "britches". Britches and hoes. Lowell was a farm boy at heart.

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And although I see Alexander's point, it ain't a solid rule. I really don't like but just a micro-thimbleful of metal and (fill in the blank)-metal, but I know plenty of metalheads, and plenty of them are good peoples with whom I enjoy a nice, casual, "hey how's it going?" 15-20 minute interaction. Don't want to live their life, but hey - good peeps, ya' know? But that music does hurt my ears like 100 dogs, and then some. Violates damn near everything I believe in, musically and personally. But I don't go buggin' on the people who like it. I just don't come around them when they got it playing, and when the pull up besides me with it at an excruciating volume, I jsut wait for the light to change. They got their life and I got mine. And I wait for the next time "Transition" comes on the radio.

Sometimes you gotta get revenge on the world. I remember one summer night about 10 years ago, KNTU started playing "Transition" just as I was pulling into a Blockbuster. I shut the engine off, turned the radio up LOUD, rolled the windows down, and just sat there until it was over. People were intimidated! But sometimes it backfires. One night I was pulling the same stunt at a Kroger w/a Rollins Milestone side, Dancing In The Dark, iirc, and a bag-lady (as in grocery store employee) came over to my car and started asking me who it was, how good she liked it, and all that. Which would've been ok, except that this lady was one of those types for whom just getting the 411 wasn't enough. She started telling me about her grandson who played saxophone and on and on and on. So it works both ways. You gotta pick your spots. But I don't see what bad pop music played at an unsociably loud volume in public places has to do with the validity of recent developements in musical technology and the widely different uses to which they are being put. Ya' lost me there. But it's Sunday (and a three day weekend!), so let's just let it go, ok? No end in sight for that one. Frankly, I'd rather find out if dolphins (and/or the streets on which they live) are blue or green. That's not yet been established!

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That complicates matters then. The song doesn't have a bridge. Oh well...

Just read this... Whazzup w/Brubeck refusing a legit reissue? That's some damn fine stuff, almost as good as the Fantasy things.