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Well, ok, I guess we differ on that. I wouldn't, however, rule out the notion of taking on circumstances on their own terms in order to turn them into a triumph rather than a defeat. There's a long & deep history of that throughout the history of humankind (including our beloved blues & jazz), and I see no reason for it to stop now. Some things never stop happening. And I do have to wonder what's "natural" about living in a post-Industrial Age world. That's all any of us (here, any way) know, & we've done quite well at defining what is and isn't "natural", and if you presented it to the people of a pre-Industrial age, they'd look at you like you had sold your soul to the devil. And then some. Times change people, and people change times. But the more things change...

I know what you mean, but after having gone digging into the "dance underground" and actually listening to the insides of the music, I've realized that, like all musics, there's people making it who don't get past the stereotypes (the majority) & people who either disregard them or else turn them inside out and make them beautiful. MAW's secret weapon is a bassist named Gene Perez, who can and does groove just as hard as anybody. Put him on the bottom of a track, and it immediately becomes something else altogether. MAW apparently know this, and build thier tracks so as to let him shine. Some glorious results there! The ironic thing about the best dance music I've come across is that even though it's not designed to be "listening" music, the deep & closer I listen to it, the more intertesting it gets to me. So much subtle detail, so many ins and outs as things are added and removed, sometimes almost subliminally, so much attention to the push/pull of complimentary/contrasting rhythms and tonal colors. The people making this stuff might not be "musicians" in the traditional sense, but the best of them have a musical "ear" that exceeds that of a lot of the "real" musicians I know. And the best of it really does have an improvisational qulaity into how things are brought in and out of the mix. I'd think that the music's roots in being "created" on the spot in DJ booths in dance clubs would foster that, just as playing for dancers back in the old days helped bands like Basie's develop head charts and such. For such "mechanical" music, there seems to be a lot of spontaneous human spirit being put into how it's going to go at any given moment. And like naything else, there's players, and then there's artists who can improvise in the moment and transcend the genre, the setting, and all that. How can ther not be? The best of it does, that is, and the best of it really does seem to be underground. I'ver tried looking for this stuff on the radio, or even the cable radio. Very little, if any luck. Just the same old shit like in that SNL bit. Fuck that. You know who's really caught my ear? A DJ named Ron Trent. This cat does some really heavy mixes where he keeps a constant-yet-shifting "Afro" underpinning going, and the results are more than a little intriguing, since he's not afraid to mix in some material that's got some real meat to it. This one in particular has got me excited: http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&a...10:2m831vj3zzza Underground as hell, this one is. I've not heard anything like it through media outlets, Dusty Groove doesn't carry it, and I think it was only released in the UK. I suspect that if you put this on in many mainstream dance clubs, people would bug out, and not necesarily in a good way. Music for weekend warriors this isn't. So this ain't exactly "common" shit, if you know what I mean. But it is good shit, and it is reflective of the fact that there are fresh, invigorating, and creative musical things being done that reach far beyond the stereotypical coked/x-ed out Pavlovian club airhead.

It is? There must be some version of it I've not yet heard or played... Every version I've come across is a 12-bar blues from start to finish, save for the intro. Sure you're not thinking about "Please Come Home For Christmas"? That one's got an 8-bar bridge, but the A-sections are also 8 bars. "Saint Nick came down the chimney, 'bout half past 3 Left all these pretty presents, that you see before me". Ain't that the bridge? Nope, that's just the first four of a 12, sung over a break. You, sir would be correct!

Not so much that I mind seeing Parcells go as much as it is Jones getting to pick a new coach...

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I like Billy Harper's ECM date - Capra Grey.

1965 Hawk was a tough son of a bitch, wasn't he.

No, he means a ticket consolidator, they're much cheaper. Gotta admit, I know what that is myself. Help?

Yeah, that's been the thing all season, right? But yesterday, he came through big when they needed him to. Whether that was a true stepping up or just one of those flukey things remains to be seen. No clear pick in my mind right now, which is kinda cool. All I ask is, please, no remakes of "The Superbowl Shuffle".

That's more like it then. "Ashen"? Oh my. "Crestfallen", yeah, that's pretty normal. "Despodent", that I can sympathize with. But ashen? Good god, did his wife die in a car wreck or something? (No, I ain't cutting him any slack. At least not this morning while I still got the postgame thankgodthefukkersgotbeat buzz going. )

Probably so, but there's a whole generation now who knows nothing but that. And it looks like it's going to be that way for a good while to come. For better or worse, that is the "new world", and it's going to be increasingly populated by people for whom what to us seems wholly unnatural is totally natural. I'd be surprised if those among them who are so inclined (and they'd be the same ones who would be so inclined in the world we grew up in) aren't finding there own space/poetry inside those ever tighter cicles. People don't really change what they do, they just change how they do it.

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Well, that's this year's Official Super Bowl Story Line , right(?) - has Manning finally gotten the monkey off his back or has he just momentarily brushed it off? We'll see.

Another thing to mention is that I've never known really driven people to accept defeat gracefully. They just don't. I don't think Ali was very good at admitting defeat; neither were Gary Kasaparov nor Bobby Fischer in chess. They hated to LOSE. Maybe Belichick is the same. I don't think he's got any kind of a life outside of football. I was thinking the same thing, Paul. Did Lombardi lose graciously? Billy Martin? Ali could prove gracious in defeat, if only momentarily. Billy Martin was a freak, and the Lombardi legend is highly over-romanticized imo. Bobby Fischer's mental quirks have been well documented, and Kasparov, well...I don't know. I can think of any number of "really driven" people who can put on at least a facade of graciousness for at least a moment in the face of defeat. The two aren't incompatable, nor should they be by any reasonable definition of mainstream civility. If Belicheck once gave credit to the Colts for not giving up & coming back, I didn't hear it (which is a possibility, I admit. I just heard immediate post-game growlings, er... comments). I did see him walk past Manning on his way off the field and barely acknowledge his presence. Just a humph and barely a glance in his direction. Not at all classy, imo, and yet another reason why so many people hate what is unquestionably one of the great teams of the era. Although I must admit - it must take a helluva lot of discipline to be at once so bland and so arrogant. A stiff upper flip of the bird to them! At least Brady didn't cry this time. At least not on camera.

Hey chieu oui (& Chelle Don) - did you know that the flute soloist on "California Dreamin'" was Bud Shank? West Coast Jazz Beigh Beigh!!!!!!

Not "out". "Away"

Das Boot was a helluva good movie.

Is it just me, or does Belicheck seem to not handle defeat as graciously as would befit an unquestionably great & successful coach of championship teams?

Nothing eloquent here. All I can say is let people be who they are, let people make the music that comes from them being who they are, don't fuck with them for being who they are instead of who they aren't, and let things take care of themself, like they will anyway.

I'm happy.

It is? There must be some version of it I've not yet heard or played... Every version I've come across is a 12-bar blues from start to finish, save for the intro. Sure you're not thinking about "Please Come Home For Christmas"? That one's got an 8-bar bridge, but the A-sections are also 8 bars.