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Caught the Sandoval (or as a KNTU DJ recently referred to him, "sand-OVAL") autobiopic recently on TV, and, although his is certainly a tale of great personal courage and triumph, musically.... No.

What, they don't have computers in Branson? B-) Not too far off... Orlando area, including Disney World for 3 days. The wife, the daughter, and me. The boy's 18 and working, so he was required to stay home. Judging by the shape the house was in when we got home, we weren't too terribly missed. But he was. good practice for the future, though, for all of us... Let's just say that it's damn good to be home, and that for all the grief the Mousekepigs get (and deserve), when viewed strictly from an "end-user" (i.e. - consumer) standpoint, they do what they do far better than anybody else... If you absolutely have to do the theme-park/resort thing, Disney really is in a class by itself, at least Disney World. The "controlled environment" thing is really creepy sometimes, but dammit, there ain't no "unfortunate surprises", and when the object of the game really is to make the trains run on time (literally and figuratively), hey - they do it perfectly. The competition doesn't. Trust me.

Y'all are all beautiful.

And for non-fast food burgers. Definitely.

i'm gonna go home and see if my LP still smells. Not as bad as you might remember it being! The words are goofy as hell, but the music itself is pretty darn interesting more often than not.

WELL now!

Charles Hodges. Yeah! Think we had a thread on him here back in the early days. If not here, then on Baord Krypton.

I'm just glad that dictionaries allow for more than one definition of a word. A useful principal, that.

Hell if I know! It's here somewhere.

Indeed. I wrote M. Cuscuna a letter back in the 80s asking him about who had the rights to the PanArt label, thought that that the Descarga albums might make for a good, small-ish Mosiac, and he had never even heard of the label. Hopefully, he's checked out some of the Tico stuff by now, and not just the stuff w/jazz soloists on board. Afro-Cuban music, especially the heritage, still gets short shrift in a lot of jazz circles, partially because of the language thing, and partially because a lot of folks in those "circles" aren't hip to rhythm as being equal to harmony in the overall scheme of things. Unfortunate.

Ditto. that period is going to have to rank as some of the finest American Popular Music of the 20th century, I would think.

I meant the "Chicago Jazz Mafia" (as I suspect you realize ) Are you now, or have you ever been...

Yeah, Dewey's "one of those guys", if you know what I mean. A deep spirit.

Machito did a fair # of things for Tico, iirc, and that's part of EMI now, I think.

I would suggest that for people on whom experience is wasted, so would be books. And vice-versa, maybe.

Personally, I ahve several different ideas in mind when i use the word, depending on how I'm using it. Those who know me usually know what I mean by how I use it. Those who don't know me, well, hey, in the words of Jon Lovitz - GET TO KNOW ME! Seriously, the quest for "hard and fast" is probably doomed to failure from the outset, just because it's already happened, and this is the aftermath. Everything from here on out is the aftermath, which is why getting as much of the "now" while it's here saves steps over the long haul. Even the best-informed historical research can only provide portions of the whole. So, here we are. Myself, I'll stick with the multiple usage/meaning of the word, just because I can only do so many things at once, ya'know?

Clifford at the Bee Hive.

So is, I would think, understanding the culture by expereincing it firsthand over time. Harder than reading or writing a book (no dis intended, honestly), but probably more informative over the long haul, although any of us who come at it "from the outside" probably need a little outside perspective beforehand. But today is just tommorrow's yesterday, so why not get it yourself now before somebody else writes about it afterwards? Rhetorical question, btw.

Well, sure, everbody's a voice in one way or another, but Dewey... Dewey's a defining voice. Or, a master. Whatever, Dewey's in a whole 'nother place than Joshua (who, again, is a fine player), and I've not seen much to lead me to expect that it will ever be elsewise.

It's "primal stew", not just "stew". Big difference. The basic ingredients-from which all evolution preceeds, to be found in various combinations, proportions, and mutations as the evolution proceeds. Yet, elements that can nevertheless be identified. No need to ignore categorical distinctions, just as there's no need to overlook commonalities. Gospel and blues have different identities simply because they are different strains of evolution and have picked up distinct traits along the way. Yet, the common traits allow for frequent and fertile cross-pollination, which in turn further the evolution of each. "Different" & "distinct" need not mean totally different or totally distinct. No, not all African-American music is infused in the blues, simply because not all Africans became Americans under the same circumstances, nor have they experienced the cultural dynamics afterwards. Any talk such as this is (or should be) based on generalities, what can "safely" (hopefully...) be presumed to be "the norm", based on what can objectively, in terms of simple numbers, be observed to be the rule, rather than the exception. Anything that does not allow for variances, even minor ones, or consideration thereof, is barking up the wrong tree, I think. Absolut is a vodka, not a sound sociological principle. As well, the notion that there is a primal stew should certainly not imply that influences from "outside" said stew can't or shouldn't find a place in the evolutional mix. Jazz itself is vivid proof of how wrong a notion that is. But they come into the mix, they don't destroy it. The same fundamental elements of the stew continue on. Change is not necessarily destruction. Soul comes from gospel? Well, yeah, but Gospel itself came out an infusion of blues "elements", many of which themselves, as Mr. Litwack suggested, may well be traceable back to pre-blues music. "Gospel" and "spirituals" are two distinct, different types of African-American religious music, yet, again, they can't be said to be totally different musics that have nothing in common. The primal stew is real enough. What we choose to call it is fair game for debate, but its existence isn't, I should think. If we chosse to deny its existence, we turn musical/cultural evolution into the equivalent of Creationist Absolutism, a set of forgone conclusions just waiting to happen - this is this, that is that, and there you have it. That just ain't so in any kind of life. Considering the discussion we had about evolution a while back, the notion that it's basic principals somehow don't apply to music kinda tickles me!

Was it replaced with alligator?

Considering how the current software reheats old topics just dandily, I don't see why not.

Maybe the Romanian population objected.

The Ignore function will practice the discipline for us that we are unable to practice for ourselves.