Eric -
Not being an ex-BNer, you probably weren't aware that we had one poster there who delighted in trolling w/anti-"avant-garde" nonsense (I call it nonsense because all it came down to was "those guys don't know how to play their instruments". Period. Nothing more than that, which IS nonsense), and John McDonough was one of their favorite people to quote to begin stirring the pot. So that's why your initial posts were greeted w/scepticism (by me, anyway). It just seemed like "more of the same", especially when your initial responses to mine and others "well, some people like it just because they actually like it" was to (seemingly) claim that this was impossible. But the further along the thread went, the more that I saw that you weren't trolling, so I adjusted my input accordingly. I don't mind a serious discussion, but if I'm going to get into it with full seriousness, I have to A) have the time and energy to do so; B) see the the other guy is serious and intellegent, and is not just bullshitting with some closed-circuit buzzwords, or the ideological equivalent thereof; C) really, REALLY believe in the point I'm making.
Hope that explains something/anything.