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Well hey - those are the threads that I only read , because it's stuff that I know absolutely nothing, or very little, about. I just like to shut up, read, and learn. So keep posting. It's getting read here!

I for one would welcome that.

Dude, if you can figure out what was going through Bud Powell's mind at ANY time, you get a gold star! (sorry - gratuitous "mad genius" joke/cheap shot. I really should know better...)

Gotta admit that I was pleasantly stunned to see clifton posting over here. That cat knows his stuff, although we totally disagree on Odean Pope. No big whoop, since I've yet to meet anybody who likes/dislikes everything I do, and most likely never will. That would just be WIERD!!! I'll keep an eye open for interesting threads to post to over there (and ain't it funny how we talk about "over there" when it's all cyberspace and is all really everywhere, or nowhere, or just where anybody is at a given time). Certainly don't want to see the place die or become irrelevant. This is still my "home", and unless something really funky goes down, will remain so. But we can all drop in and have a nice visit with the neighbors, right?

I know you're joking, Matthew, but just in case you really don't know, the answer is yes.

Oh. I see. Thanks.

Same here. Was it a political thread?

Chris (and everybody else), just to clarify, we have a "GregM" who is a regular here who most assuredly is NOT the party to which you refer. Our GregM is an allright kinda guy.

Ya, easy for you to say. It's become so. But first I had to get in touch with my Inner Country Boy.

WORD!

No need to be sorry, It is at least partially what I meant, seeing as how I've spent a fair amount of my life in "situations" that were primarily African-American populated and hear, understood, and, most importantly, felt the result of people altering both pronunciations and vocabulary to meet their own expressive needs. I mean - what meaning does "bull dagger" have in "regular" English? And the hip-hop vernacular somes from nowhere if not from deep within a certain segment of that demographic? And yes, I'm fully aware that not all African-Americans speak in non-traditional ways. This ain't a stereotype, it's an observation about how SOME people bend the language to make it do what they want/need it to do. It's really a very American thing to do, and, to give it a jazz connection, it's something that Lester Young was a virtuoso of! Besides, you go into rural areas in the South and the Southeast and you'll hear every bit as much variation/manipulation of the language as you would deep in the hood. It's part of what people do when they, for whatever reason, don't feel "connected" with "proper" culture - they make their own and pass it on. It's only those who feel an affinity for such culture, or want to suceed/proceed in it who find it important to speak in that manner. FWIW, I myself think it's crucial to know proper English and grammer (hey - I don't want to live outside the norm ALL the time), but I also feel a right/want/need to trick it up whenever I gets the urge. Nobody wants to be a repeater pencil.

Well, let me play Devil's advocate here and say that I find the constant fluxuation of our lanksguage facsinating. People react phonetically to their worldyismic experncieses, express their psychetiticles through sound and stuff, and you can learn a lot about peesples just from'a lissenin to how they say stuff, and stuff like that stuff. Now that don't mean that I nescafesarahlee LIKE all the changes I'm hearinating...

Zappa?

Dude, I've tried selling out a few times my ownself. Come to find out, there has to be a market for what you're selling! Just being willing ain't enough. Who knew? :g

Can't trust that day...

FWIW, I voted "sign up". Seems fair and practical, and you can't beat that combo, right? But the things need to be spaced out in intervals of 2 or 3 weeks, maybe even a month, I think, to give compilers time to really get it "right" in their eyes. Of course, once you get a sign up list that reaches far enough in advance, that'll not be so much of a problem. Besides, I myself very much enjoy taking time to REALLY listen to the selections before posting guesses/comments, as well as following through once the answers are known. Space the tests too close together, and you run the risk of it becoming just another "chore" to meet, albeit more pleasant than most. Hey - I don't need no more stinkin' chores!!!!

I'm "of a certain age", and I spent my childhood in front of a TV. GOTTA love me!!!

I've got old Tribe LPs by Ranelin & Wendell Harrison. Interetsting stuff, kind of a "local" Strata-East vibe. Recording's not too high quality, but certainly listenable. I'd recommend what I've heard of it as a worthy exploration for those interested in finding out what else has happened in jazz over the years besides the output of the "name brands". The influences are the same as what everybody else was gfetting, but the "flavor" is unique. A good horizon-broadener for those who feel "tapped out" by the established canon.

What "Una Mas" & "The Sidewinder" (the songs) both both have in common is a rhythmic basis in grooves that were popular in Latin dance circles at the time. Not direct cops, and in the case of Lee's tune, more than a little R&B flavor thrown in, but the basis/bases are definitely there. 1963 was a good year for the bossa-nova too, so you got this kinda Pan-Latin vibe in the air, coupled w/the Trane/Elvin looks at Africa. So rather than viewing these tunes as "sell-outs", I tend to view them as among the first steps towards turning away from standard song forms and "swing" rhythms in an attempt to forge a populist jazz based in African/Latin perspectives, a vibe that got picked up on by quite a few people later in the decade and on into the 70s, as well as an idea that was not at all out of sync with the political currents of the time. Funny how nearly every time jazz attempts to incorporate populist elements from the experiences of its players, there's always a contingent that screams "sellout". The musical and social implications of such a knee-jerk reaction to the folk who make the music reaching out to thier own folk are pretty wierd...

"I wanna hear Caravan with a drum solo!"

Brad, you got mail. Just finished w/Disc One, and aside from an annoying pop between some cuts when they "play" button on the burner gets pushed to begin recording that I can't figure out how to prevent happening, I think it turned out pretty good soundwise. The new Music Hall 5 is letting me hear things on some of those old LPs that I'd either forgotten were there, or had never even heard (had a REALLY good system for a little over a year in the 70s, got robbed, had no insurance or funds to replace w/similar quality, and have basically had crap or higher end crap ever since). Nearly cried a cuppla times. I can honestly say that I can relate to what Brian Wilson was going through with SMILE, the constant need/desire to add, alter, resequence, redo, etc. You can always do different, the possibilities are literally endless. Unfortunately, time isn't. But more about that later. On to Disc Two. To paraphrase Red Skelton, "If you have half as much fun listening to this as I did making it, that means I had twice as much fun as you. Good night, and may God bless."

Didn't the tune "Una Mas" also get used in a commercial of some kind? Seems to me like I remember reading that somewhere. Maybe that's where my Dodge memory comes in. Whatever, whoever was running Chrysler Corp.'s ad campaigns in those days deserves a salute, and not the one-fingered kind... Myself, I don't understand the ambivalence towards SIDEWINDER the album. Even if you don't like the title tune, take it away, and you're left with one of the best mainstream Hard Bop albums of the 1960s, one of those sesssions where everybody's on the same page and the shit just flows like it's supposed to. Barry Harris might be the "odd man out" in some ways, but it don't bother me none if he is. This is the way that the combination of those players playing this kind of music is supposed to sound!

Better watch this "they" stuff. I'm still compiling mine... Don't make me go local!

Just did. Thanks!