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Thought it was a Wade Marcus lecture.

Art before science.

It's more than an 'I don't like it' response. The interview with Perfect Sound Forever is also a little more expansive about Braxton and Taylor and others etc. Read that one yet mjzee? The PSF interviewer does confront him (Shipp). with the criticism that the David S Ware band were just playing 'Sixties music, which is the reflexive position I suppose.

It's mostly always rewarding to read Iverson. But he can't get down into the insightful alleys the way Shipp does. Unless we're talking strictly mechanics. Especially with regard to the psychology of Black musicians from the more immediate past. Iverson just doesn't have the background to think about those things. He can respond to them sure, but he wont arrive at them on his own. Wish more things like this would pop up from time to time.

Matthew Shipp, Ethan Iverson, Keith Jarrett and Joe Sample Who'd a thunk. You could pop KJ right into the seat here. And the big crowd would make him feel right at home. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3S04CCIp34

Everybody appreciates a good root.

Lester, I assume. Ha Ha. Well he's a bloody fantastic thinker about the music, both socio-culturally and formally. I wish there were ten of him posting here.

Spoken like a true Scotsman.

He's a Bowie fan To paraphrase the interview, PSF So you like Bowie. Do you tell many people that? MS No I prefer to keep that to myself.

Not part of your crowd is he?

Larry Young, too. MG I was thinking of Larry Young, but I read the liner notes to (maybe?) Of Love And Peace, and Young spoke about seeing himself from the get go as being a bridge between the two positions. Whereas I think Manet, was a fully fledged post-Courbet Realist, and was more reaching out to the Impressionist 'New Thing,' out of aesthetic interest and his own direction. So I thought John Patton was a better fit as it were, because he really did start out culturally and aesthetically from a more fixed position musically. In fact, I don't think there's been many great players who made such a slow and methodical transition from one position to another as Patton did over the decade. Apart from The godlike Coltrane. There must be more, but even Moncur, McLean etc. all started from the edgier side of things within a mainstream context. There would be others that played R&B or Chitlin Circuit Jazz that become aesthetically and Culturally radicalised, but they usually weren't recording with a fully fledged voice at the top of the heap like Patton was.

Yes where? I'd be interested to read that... I read it on a link from here somewhere. It was more of a pithy aside in something more general. But it was along the lines that Braxton played up to and cultivated the 'professor' persona because it was the best strategy available to him. I'd like to read it again to get the full picture, but it was definitely an important insight he made. Even if with the fullness of time many might see it from the same perspective as well.

I love Matthew Shipp. He is my favourite asshole Someone give him a weekly platform somewhere. Where was that really interesting thing he said about Anthony Braxton posted?

Let me rescind on post number 11

Craig Ferguson on late night TV taking the piss now You can always rely on a Scotsman

Dusty Bin Slim Dusty (anyone remember 'A pub with no beer'?) Da Barstids I do. But you shouldn't. It must have been a hit. The Wizard Of Id The Wizard Of Oz Germaine Greer (Oz magazine).

Dover Vera Lynn Paul Lynde

Well in the age of Celebrity TV and the glorification of everything shallow and useless, the Royals have managed to re-invent themselves. Somehow they've come up smelling of roses again. A perfect fit for the times. England and the rest of the world are in love with them. They even make the headlines in the States if I'm not mistaken. I can't imagine a time now where the buggers aren't around.

I don't think it matters what they call him. Prince Charles has stated that he'd be George VII. So let him be Wilfred. Or Osama. Or Elizabeth. MG I like it. King Elizabeth. The first cross dressing trans-gender King.......errr......ummmmm...........Queen.

Perhaps you may have some ideas for the new arrivals name? May I start the ball rolling with, Prince Wilfred after Wilfred Brambell from Steptoe and Son.

Looks like the times got printed more post 65ish.

Bloody horrible cover. Looks like an 'impression' of a switchblade to the gut, Does the music resemble this?

Manet of course, was neither strictly an Impressionist, but rather more connected to Courbet and Realism. He became Impressionist more by association and a willingness to cross fertilise stylistically as an 'elder statesmen' with the bourgeois radicals of the movement. There would be parallels in Jazz with Hard Bop players who developed affinities with the younger Fire Music or New Thing players, but I can't think of any off hand now. John Patton? Joe Henderson?, but his less user friendly music was still very user friendly in a harder edged sort of way.

Thanks for the link. I enjoyed the listen. It did sound a bit like two very, very, very, good musicians, in communion with each other in a rehearsal room - with a speaker system picking up transient interference from a Gospel radio station. The latter track was the same - except substitute Gospel radio station with Chinese one. I was listening through the compromised technology of my internal Macbook audio though. What was also interesting, however, was the interview stuff. Where there was an almost apologetic tone for introducing a Black-centric Music Culture into a "European Jazz' context. And then, further embarrassment was flagged, when the interviewer proclaimed basically, that, 'there was still something relevant to be mined from said traditions! The marginalisation process has obviously moved to 'what was'. Weight of numbers I suppose.